Can't bring myself to sell the V48, I may have to have two boats

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...so has anyone opinions or ideas on 8m to 9m'ish fishing boats?

SWMBO and I have taken up fishing this year and are thoroughly enjoying it. It has added a new dimension to having a boat.

I keep a V48 in Plymouth and much to the amusement of more experienced Plymouth boat anglers we have been fishing off the back in the Sound and out to the wrecks and drop off. It works fine in calm weather, there is a large sunpad and bathing platform, but it isn't ideal as much from the safety aspect as from the risk in cutting up mackerel baits over a lovely teak cockpit floor.

I pondered selling the V48 and buying a dual purpose boat but having looked around concluded that the V48 is a lot of boat for what she would sell for and as we often have guests the V48 having cabins at opposite ends of the boat and two separate heads works very well. There is also the background thought that the hobby may not last, so maybe something less drastic than selling Intraventure is called for.

So I am pondering buying a boat that would be mostly for fishing, but which would be OK for an overnight stay if we wander further afield, but which would re-sell readily after a year or two if necessary.

The two I have narrowed it down to are the Rodman 870 and the Arvor 280AS. I have looked at other options and these two seem to be pretty robust : inboard diesels, shaft drive, 20knt cruise etc. I want something that will be happy in somewhat sloppy conditions, 'cos if I only use it in calm seas I may as well use the V48, so semi-d with a reasonable amount of weight makes sense (Rodman = 5,250kg, Arvor = 3,700kg).

Why this size? The 28ft mark seemed to be the point at which you get a genuine double, a separate heads (SWMBO is not going anywhere without a separate flush loo) and a workable galley whilst leaving a large cockpit for fishing. They've both got safe walk-around decks and the ability to fish all around the boat.

Anyone out there with experience of these boats or other alternatives I ought to look at?

PS - yes I know, two boats, complete madness, if SWMBO wasn't more keen than me I'd doubt my sanity.
 
PS - yes I know, two boats, complete madness, if SWMBO wasn't more keen than me I'd doubt my sanity.

Tee-hee, yet another excuse for me to trot out gjgm's famous quote:
Forum: why have you got TWO Windy's?
Gjgm: because I thought three was excessive...

...

Nothing wrong at all with having two boats, but the fixed costs quickly mount up. If it was me, I would probably follow Nick_h's recent example and buy something with outboards that can live on a trailer. This way you avoid year-round berthing costs (keep it at home in the winter), maintenance is cheaper, and when you fancy a change of scene just tow it somewhere else.
 
Would it not be more cost effective to charter a fishing boat on the occasions you wanted to fish?

Good thought and it crossed my mind. It would might be more cost effective to charter a boat full stop :) I could charter a fishing boat 20 times for the annual cost of running my own. The trouble is I couldn't be flexible, I couldn't do an odd hour here or there, I couldn't stay on it overnight or go off on 3 day trips around Brixham/Salcombe etc. I couldn't set it up how I wanted it, so use it on our own. If cost was the driver I'd probably join public charter trips, but that isn't the experience I'm looking for.
 
Tee-hee, yet another excuse for me to trot out gjgm's famous quote:
Forum: why have you got TWO Windy's?
Gjgm: because I thought three was excessive...

...

Nothing wrong at all with having two boats, but the fixed costs quickly mount up. If it was me, I would probably follow Nick_h's recent example and buy something with outboards that can live on a trailer. This way you avoid year-round berthing costs (keep it at home in the winter), maintenance is cheaper, and when you fancy a change of scene just tow it somewhere else.

Yes, that is definitely an option and I've been pondering it and haven't ruled it out. I even looked into swapping the Beemer Tourer for a Discovery. I suspect our neighbours would have an issue with a boat outside our town house in the middle of Cheltenham, but I should be able to find somewhere locally, there must be places where caravans live over winter. There would be an issue with size I guess, I don't know how big you can go and legally/sensibly tow a boat around the UK?
 
Yes, that is definitely an option and I've been pondering it and haven't ruled it out. I even looked into swapping the Beemer Tourer for a Discovery. I suspect our neighbours would have an issue with a boat outside our town house in the middle of Cheltenham, but I should be able to find somewhere locally, there must be places where caravans live over winter. There would be an issue with size I guess, I don't know how big you can go and legally/sensibly tow a boat around the UK?

There's a trailer width limit, which is a prob for US trailers but any UK trailer would be ok. Towing weight limit will be your main limitation, 3.5T all up (trailer, boat, contents) is the max you'll get to with a car - the Disco is plated for 3.5T. You should have a look at Nick's thread about this, lots of useful info and similar criteria to yours, I think.

Edit: here's Nick's thread:
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?380243-American-trailerable-sport-fishers
 
Are you looking new or used? What sort of budget?

There are plenty of boats out there to suit your requirements. I'm just going to chuck one in that you may not have thought about, or come across. http://www.coryyachts.co.uk/invicta-295/

Ooh, very nice. Yep, that is the sort of thing I'd like, 4x4'ish on the outside, very sensible, but smart and nautical inside. Trouble is that's well outside my hobby budget (or if it isn't they'll sell a lot of them). To make it work I can tie up capital, but I can't lose lots in depreciation, especially as JtB points out, annual costs are painful. So something around £60k is more the target and likely old enough to have taken the early hit, but young enough to have modern engines and electronics.
 
...so has anyone opinions or ideas on 8m to 9m'ish fishing boats?

SWMBO and I have taken up fishing this year and are thoroughly enjoying it. It has added a new dimension to having a boat.

I keep a V48 in Plymouth and much to the amusement of more experienced Plymouth boat anglers we have been fishing off the back in the Sound and out to the wrecks and drop off. It works fine in calm weather, there is a large sunpad and bathing platform, but it isn't ideal as much from the safety aspect as from the risk in cutting up mackerel baits over a lovely teak cockpit floor.

I pondered selling the V48 and buying a dual purpose boat but having looked around concluded that the V48 is a lot of boat for what she would sell for and as we often have guests the V48 having cabins at opposite ends of the boat and two separate heads works very well. There is also the background thought that the hobby may not last, so maybe something less drastic than selling Intraventure is called for.

So I am pondering buying a boat that would be mostly for fishing, but which would be OK for an overnight stay if we wander further afield, but which would re-sell readily after a year or two if necessary.

The two I have narrowed it down to are the Rodman 870 and the Arvor 280AS. I have looked at other options and these two seem to be pretty robust : inboard diesels, shaft drive, 20knt cruise etc. I want something that will be happy in somewhat sloppy conditions, 'cos if I only use it in calm seas I may as well use the V48, so semi-d with a reasonable amount of weight makes sense (Rodman = 5,250kg, Arvor = 3,700kg).

Why this size? The 28ft mark seemed to be the point at which you get a genuine double, a separate heads (SWMBO is not going anywhere without a separate flush loo) and a workable galley whilst leaving a large cockpit for fishing. They've both got safe walk-around decks and the ability to fish all around the boat.

Anyone out there with experience of these boats or other alternatives I ought to look at?

PS - yes I know, two boats, complete madness, if SWMBO wasn't more keen than me I'd doubt my sanity.

I am a very keen sea angler and currently have a Merry Fisher 925/Volvo KAD300, prior to that I had the slightly smaller than the 280AS Arvor 250AS/Cummins-Merc 230.

The MF does all that I ask of her and is comfy enough for overnighting either at anchor or in a marina. We are often out in poorish conditions where you rarely see another pleasure boat all day, so she is definitely not babied, pull the throttle back a smidgen, get her nose down, window wipers on and nothing much seems to bother her. One of my other boats is 24 metres of Dutch steel for catching fish using slightly different methods, so I know iffy weather when I see it, and the MF sees more than her fair share.

There have been no real issues in my 5ish years of ownership apart from the normal niggly boaty things, seals in the seawater pump, new solenoid for the windlass, shear pin went in the stern thruster, and that is just about it.

The cockpit is slightly small but we fish three fine and occasionally fish four at a push, all serious anglers each with enough gear to almost sink a battleship, so for two it would be perfect.

The Arvor although possibly more fishy due to the larger cockpit, had issues, one involving a concerning ingress of water on a poor day when the thruster tube didn't seem to be attached to the hull quite as well as it might have been. This was professionally repaired way beyond spec and she was immediately put up for sale.

Imho the MF is in a different league to the Arvor regarding build quality.

I like the Rodmans, an angling friend has a 1250, but I am not qualified to comment on those.
 
I am a very keen sea angler and currently have a Merry Fisher 925/Volvo KAD300, prior to that I had the slightly smaller than the 280AS Arvor 250AS/Cummins-Merc 230.

The MF does all that I ask of her and is comfy enough for overnighting either at anchor or in a marina. We are often out in poorish conditions where you rarely see another pleasure boat all day, so she is definitely not babied, pull the throttle back a smidgen, get her nose down, window wipers on and nothing much seems to bother her. One of my other boats is 24 metres of Dutch steel for catching fish using slightly different methods, so I know iffy weather when I see it, and the MF sees more than her fair share.

There have been no real issues in my 5ish years of ownership apart from the normal niggly boaty things, seals in the seawater pump, new solenoid for the windlass, shear pin went in the stern thruster, and that is just about it.

The cockpit is slightly small but we fish three fine and occasionally fish four at a push, all serious anglers each with enough gear to almost sink a battleship, so for two it would be perfect.

The Arvor although possibly more fishy due to the larger cockpit, had issues, one involving a concerning ingress of water on a poor day when the thruster tube didn't seem to be attached to the hull quite as well as it might have been. This was professionally repaired way beyond spec and she was immediately put up for sale.

Imho the MF is in a different league to the Arvor regarding build quality.

I like the Rodmans, an angling friend has a 1250, but I am not qualified to comment on those.

Thanks for that, the sort of feedback I was hoping for. Funnily enough a dealer mentioned the 280AS as being a better quality than the smaller ones (250/230 etc) but I've no detail to back that up.

I looked at a 1250 and it was a very nice boat, compromised on accommodation of course as it is set up for serious fishing with excellent walk-around.
 
I'd scrap the overnight lark.. on 28ft you are going to be damn short on space comp to the 48..no where to sit, almost nowhere to sleep, no where to cook and most importantly nowhere to store the 100kg of prize bass you just landed...In fact, I think you might find in most conditions, 28ft is going to get a bit heave ho...So, you are going to eat out anyway-you may as well sleep out and get a decent shower after all that blood and guts.
Now you just need a fishing boat with a bit of wind protection.Any chance of a drystack- does away with trailers -a real pain, to remind you! I guess there must be a reason the French and Spanish dominate this market...
This American import scratch the itch , maybe ?
http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-Doug-...3909805&sr=8-1&keywords=magnetic+fishing+game
 
Kevin, you can sell the V48 its one of my all time favourite sports boats, you know I really wanted one if you sell it how will I get my V48 D9 fix?? Modify the bathing platform with some kind of teak protector, turning her into the flashiest fishing boat ever.
 
same experience for me, but the other way round
when buying our big MY, 4y ago I didn't want to give up the flexibility / usability of our sport fisher "Karnic 2660" on a trailer,
we didn't use her for fishing but for diving.

so the last 4 seasons we owned and used two boats, and still don't plan to sell none of them.

The Karnic is slightly over the towing limit, but it has wonderfull accomodation; seperate head, bow and mid cabin, twin diesel inboard,...
and is perfect for local usage (some years ago we used to be tow her all around europe :ambivalence: )
I keep her in my company building, but I'm considering keeping her next season on the dry, in the marina where we use her most of the time in Zeeland (south Netherland)
last saturday and sunday, we have spend again a very nice weekend on her with diving friends.

Sportfishers, you have quite some options not only from Karnic and Rodman, also benetau,
or the very nice american models like NickH has got one
 
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I think v48 in the Med and Rodman fisherboat in UK is a very fine combination

Modify the bathing platform with some kind of teak protector, turning her into the flashiest fishing boat ever.
That's a smart idea imho. Below photo (taken day-before-yesterday in Garoupe bay, E side of cap D'Antibes) shows a cruising boat (a s'line 42/5 iirc) with serious fishing gear added
sealine-1.jpg
 
Kevin, you can sell the V48 its one of my all time favourite sports boats, you know I really wanted one if you sell it how will I get my V48 D9 fix?? Modify the bathing platform with some kind of teak protector, turning her into the flashiest fishing boat ever.

Ha, well SWMBO won't sell even if I wanted to, so your trip to the west country to spend a happy time in the smallest place two D9's will fit is guaranteed - in fact if we get a second boat you'll be staying longer :)
 
I think v48 in the Med and Rodman fisherboat in UK is a very fine combination

That's a smart idea imho.

You may be TiC, but we've already got s/s rod holders sprouting everywhere and a portable fishfinder. In fact spent a happy day trying to work out how to fix a transponder in temp but firm way - ended up with an upside down rod holder fixed vertically to rail, then insert a hefty Screwfix extendable 3m alu painting handle down into water with transponder on the end, with shock cord to hold in place against rub rail :)
 
I'd scrap the overnight lark.. on 28ft you are going to be damn short on space comp to the 48..no where to sit, almost nowhere to sleep, no where to cook and most importantly nowhere to store the 100kg of prize bass you just landed...In fact, I think you might find in most conditions, 28ft is going to get a bit heave ho...So, you are going to eat out anyway-you may as well sleep out and get a decent shower after all that blood and guts.
Now you just need a fishing boat with a bit of wind protection.Any chance of a drystack- does away with trailers -a real pain, to remind you! I guess there must be a reason the French and Spanish dominate this market...
This American import scratch the itch , maybe ?
http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-Doug-...3909805&sr=8-1&keywords=magnetic+fishing+game

Ha Gavin, don't let Rita hear you dissing her fishing... here she is in Texas last week with a goldfish she caught:

IMG_20140929_075822_zps5iz4wmro.jpg


You point about trying to have best of both worlds is taken tho, I'll chat to R about it, maybe we are being too ambitious and overlapping the use of the boats too much. Drystack is do'able - there is one across the way from Sutton.
 
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