Sandgrounder
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Thanks, I'll have a look
Camping Dinghies
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Thanks, I'll have a look
Lakesailor
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Scimitar. haven't you been almost there before? Squib has a fin keel as well.
Simonpk
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Great boats, the Hunter 19 & later Europa uses the same hull & often referred to as a "Squib with a lid"
The only downside for you maybe the fixed keel, about 3ft draft, but this does give more room in the cockpit with no centreboard box.
Sybarite
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My son bought a Cornish Cormorant last summer which allows for camping but at about 13' is probably a bit small for you. Lovely boat though.
Sandgrounder
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They are. The big attraction with anything from the Cornish Crabbers yard is that they are always beautifully built
Sandgrounder
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Lakey,
You are right, I am increasingly attracted to shallow water sailing a la Dylan, and these wouldn't allow that. The Squib has a fantastic reputation and I'm intrigued by the Scimitar because there was one at the last club I was a member of. The owner kept it on a drying mooring, they all were, with a sort of scaffolding frame around it; how he ever got it out to sail I don't know.
You are right, I am increasingly attracted to shallow water sailing a la Dylan, and these wouldn't allow that. The Squib has a fantastic reputation and I'm intrigued by the Scimitar because there was one at the last club I was a member of. The owner kept it on a drying mooring, they all were, with a sort of scaffolding frame around it; how he ever got it out to sail I don't know.
Sailfree
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New Mk 4 Wayfarer has lots more usable internal space but you are faced with the balance of the compromises large = (usually) more space = more weight. Sea going stability will be another question and not necessarily dependant on size but keel weight (if it has any!).
At my club there is a big fleet of cornish crabbers and many ex-Wayfarer sailors have moved up to them others have gone for bigger cruisers as in our case now with 43'!
At my club there is a big fleet of cornish crabbers and many ex-Wayfarer sailors have moved up to them others have gone for bigger cruisers as in our case now with 43'!
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Lakesailor
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Really you are pointing towards a Drascombe Longboat. If the name puts you off, they are sold as Devon Longboats.
There is one for sale for not a lot of money here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Drascombe...ng_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET&hash=item1e8b346ecb
There is one for sale for not a lot of money here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Drascombe...ng_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET&hash=item1e8b346ecb
Sandgrounder
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Infinitely better without the cabin, of the Coaster. I still think the Crabber 17 may be the ideal boat. The question is would one be worth an extra £5k?
Seajet
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How about a Kinsman ? lift keel - the fin keel was the Yeoman - and a tasty boat, two at my club now on soft mud moorings.
http://www.ykboats.co.uk/Ykboats.htm
Also the Hunter Tracer which was like a slightly smaller Squib with a lift keel; rare but they gave one away at my club a while ago !
If feeling rich there's always Terry Heards' Falmouth Working Boats or the Memory 19;
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Also the Hunter Tracer which was like a slightly smaller Squib with a lift keel; rare but they gave one away at my club a while ago !
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Sandgrounder
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The Kinsman is definitely on the list. Suitability depends on the ability to use the space below the fordeck. The last one I saw, 14 years ago now, had had the entire area glassed in as buoyancy. That would limit what I could do with it.
The Hunter I will have to investigate.
It's going to be a hard life sifting all these boat particulars!
The Hunter I will have to investigate.
It's going to be a hard life sifting all these boat particulars!
northwind
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The big problem with the later drascombe/Devon boats is that they are full of foam to try and comply with RCD. This means they weigh even more, and there is much reduced storage.
ProDave
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You may think that's "not a lot of money" but still more than twice what I paid for my boat, and mine has a lid!!!
Seajet
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Next time I'm at the club - Saturday ? - I'll try to get some pics and chat with the owner of a Kinsman and report back.
I took pics of the Tracer but as Oliver Lee designs are visions of such loveliness it burnt out my camera chip; really !
I'll see if I can recover anything, meanwhile if you go to the dark toolbar above this page, on ' Community ' there is a page dedicted to ' The Genius Of Oliver Lee ' by Little Rascal, a Europa owner.
The kinsman looks a good bet to me, there was one next to my boat last winter which is kept toothbrush-immaculate by her owner.
First thing I'd check though is about self draining cockpits; covers don't last long even in our ' Southern Softy ' gales.
Kermit
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I think the older Wayfarers, the ones with floorboards, are better for cruising. The new ones have solid floor and getting them dry for a night under canvas is harder than the older ones where a little water slopping about in the bilge is not a problem. Also the stern locker is a great place to store an outboard.
Lakesailor
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It's 3 times more than I am happy paying. But Drascombes have silly values. Still less than Crabbers though, or Hawks.
JumbleDuck
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I've seen three Longboat Cruisers (the first cabin version) for sale on eBay recently. All looked fine, had good trailers and were ~ £5,000. Yes, I know the OP doesn't want a cabin or a Drascombe, but for anyone who doesn't mind these things, £5k for a cruiser seems bloody good value to me.
dancrane
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I didn't know till today, that Drascombes are still being built. Granted they're never cheap, but I thought a brand new Lugger would cost more than £14,000.
Lighter than I'd have expected, as well - the 18ft 9inch Lugger is 384kg.
Lighter than I'd have expected, as well - the 18ft 9inch Lugger is 384kg.
Sandgrounder
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Thank you all for your advice; it's been interesting and informative.
I will go away and think and probably ignore it all and buy a washed up trawler in some inland dock or something like that.
Thanks
I will go away and think and probably ignore it all and buy a washed up trawler in some inland dock or something like that.
Thanks
ProDave
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I would say go and look at ALL sub 20 foot boats for sale near where you are. You might just get ideas, you might buy one.