Buying new or secondhand yachts

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Having just spent the last weekend at the Southampton Boat Show looking at and buying lots of equipment, it was something of a surprise to discover that for the money we spent on an eighteen-year old Moody, we could have bought a brand new Bavaria 36. And to top off this thought, we would still have been faced with the same costs for equipment.
Our Moody has had a full makeover- full osmosis treatment, coppercoat bottom which will not (hopefully) require re-antifouling for ten years, new hatches where necessary, new rigging, new instruments, new prop, I could go on and on.
But she sails like a dream, handled the worst weather August could throw at us with ease, and is comfortable and secure below in rough conditions. I do not regret not buying new. In fact for what we are planning, new wouldn't have been as good unless we spent double and set our sights on a HR, or Naiad.
So why do new yachts sell so well? Is it because most buyers have no intention of sailing them? Someone at our sailing club had boughta 40-something Legend. And I thought that he was a good sailor. So I looked at them at the Show. Lovely at rest in a Marina, but an awful long way to fall in anything of a sea. So is sailing going out of fashion? Are we the unusual ones? Is a sea berth a thing of the past?
It certainly seems to me that this is the coming thing. We will in a few years time just swap marina berths each weekend, using shore power, tv's, central heating, infact all the things we now leave behind when we sail.
And the worst thing for me is that I am slipping in this direction too. I want a nice big genset to allow me to wash my hair at sea, to watch films on the laptop when away from our marina berth, and to run the battery chargers for heat and comfort.
I suppose this fact is what set me off on this thread. Is there no hope for us? Or me at least?
Or, worst of all, is it an age thing?

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Apples and Oranges

Ah, but if you'd bought new you'd have just got a new AWB, whereas you have in fact got a fully loaded Moody. No comparison, IMHO. Buy the gen set, dry your hair, watch a dvd and enjoy the Moody. By the way I know a marina owner who has issued order to his staff not to walk on the coachroofs of Bavs.

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I looked at the same boat and thought ... blimey £59k for a new 36ft Bav. And here was I happily thinking my 30yr old 36fty Moody Halberdier was worth a least... well I won't say how much.

However when you take look at a Bav 36 its tiddly.. I reckon its about 1/2 the size of my boat.

There; I feel much better now!

Regds Nick

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Re: Apples and Oranges

I really think you should ask Kim to delete your post. Do you really believe that it's right to make such an unsubstantiated statement? Having been in the marine business I can say that such rumours are rife about all manufacturers, and are generally completely untrue.

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It's not unsubstantiated and I'll make my own mind up about what I post without any assistance from you, thank you. What are you, a self appointed marine trade thought policeman?

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"What are you, a self appointed marine trade thought policeman?"

No, ex marine trade self-apponted back watcher. Ask Jimi about potentially slanderous posting.

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"What are you, a self appointed marine trade thought policeman?"

No, ex marine trade self-appointed back watcher. Ask Jimi about potentially slanderous posting.

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Done about the same thing as you - glad I did for the sailing I'm about to do. I've had a very lightweight AWB and a middleweight AWB, both Jeanneau both great capable boats.

The danger here is as with all the AWB Vs heavy threads is that the AWB owners feel they have to justify their choice of purchase and maintain a brand loyalty.

There are perfect examples on a regular basis on this board and on the water. I met a Legend owner who was desperately trying to sell me the virtues of his boat, why?


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Just thought I'd mention...........slander is an untrue statement, made in speech, not in writing, with the purpose of doing harm. So, any posting to the forum may only be libellous......... something for the perpetrator to ponder outside the courtroom!

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just for the record .. no posting I made was untrue or malicious .. however a certain company got extremely heavy and I've got better things to do than get embroiled in a time consuming legal case ..

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My late, great Dad told me............. slander = spoken, Libel = literature.

He also used to say ''thicken up those runny continental yogourts with a spoonful of lard'' - Simple!

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That might help... as long as I don't think "is it s=s and l=l or the other way round?" as in dear Sir = Faithfully and dear Fred = Sincerely.

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Damn, now I might to get it around the wrong way!.

Still, I bet the yogourt tip will stand you in good stead next time you're in France!

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I bought a second hand yacht because it had a load of goodies on board and the newer one would need money spending on all the kit.
Bought it in Spain, sailed it back to the East Coast. Since then been everywhere from Brittany to the Friesian Islands
By the way, it's a Legend 43. Built in 92, not the lighter weight newer editions.

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More making a very misjudged assumption in your thread. What makes you think that people who but boats like the Legend 40 aren't good sailors ? By the very fact that you have replaced and restored umpteen bits and pieces on your own boat, you have actually answered your own question as to why some people actually buy new - they just want to sail their boats not turn them into DIY projects. In my book that makes them good sailores.

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