Busy summer - copper coat and Rocna anchor

[kashurst]

I know theres loads of threads on copper coat already but I have been really impressed so far. Boat was blasted and coated in January this year - This summer the difference in equivalent conditions is really noticable. I have to have the bottom jetwashed @ June/July because of the furries growing really quick what ever you use. However there was less furries than usual after 7 months. So with freshly cleaned off CCoat the boat went like it was new again - accelerated really well, slightly higher top speed @ 1kn and fuel burn improved by @ 3% - not a lot I agree but all savings welcome. I can't say it is all due to CC as previously the boat had 7 years of old and not well applied antifoul on it. But the effect of a really, really smooth bottom is quite marked. (and the smug satisfaction of knowing my antifouling days are hopefully over, except the props which is easy)

Also invested in a new anchor - always contentious but might help someone make a choice. Lots of seagrass around where we cruise and I have always had problems getting a delta or similar to dig in. Looked at getting a 40Kg delta but it won't fit in the sealine moulded bow shape so before getting someone to remodel the bow in fibreglass I thought I would try a 33Kg Rocna which does fit. Droped it in seagrass and it dug in immediately - put both engines in reverse still dug in, increased engine speed - still dug in until windlass clutch started to slip. Anchored in other places too with similar results. (PS I dont generally stress the windlass - just wanted to see how hard I could pull)

Finally - I always like looking at other peeps pictures so can anyone guess where we are moored?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

What size Delta did you have before - a 25?

PS 'where am I moored' - really easy: you're just at the end of the walkway there, look!

 

[satman]

Cabo de Palos , fab place for breakfast ,lunch ,or dinner

 

[kashurst]

we had a 25kg delta - aka chocolate teapot
and yes virtual pint to Satman, Cabo de Palos for lunch and very nice too

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

we had a 25kg delta - aka chocolate teapot

That's interesting. I've got a Delta, and I do find that most of the time it doesn't set that well, and particularly not on weed. Might give a Rocna a try, based on what you've said here.

 

[NGM]

we had a 25kg delta - aka chocolate teapot
and yes virtual pint to Satman, Cabo de Palos for lunch and very nice too

What took you to Cabo, where we're you heading ? Not sure the size of your boat (T50?) but is there plenty of room to turn once inside the marina ?

 

[kashurst]

Re NGM - we just spent @ 4 days messing about around Cabo de Palos, Thomas Meastre, Los Alcazares etc around the Mar Menor. At 15m length, Cabo is just OK, but don't go into the marina, that gets very tight and shallow at the end, Los Alcazares I had to book ahead and they made space on the visitors pontoon. At Cabo I turned around right at the end of the moorings with all the restaurants on. At the time the place was full except for the corner so we tied up - hence the picture. It was a bit tight though.

If you have a sc42, then I think we may have passed each other at thomas maestre, you may have been going out late friday afternoon as I was making a mess of coming in.

 

[kashurst]

Re JtB - I asked on here about anchors etc and completely agree that bigger is better and deltas are generally pretty good, but dimensions etc don't permit without surgery, so asked the locals in Spain and Rocnas were well regarded, local swindler sells quite a few, good (mostly) comments on other forums so gave it a try.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

My experience with Deltas has been completely the opposite. I have had 3 Ferrettis in a row fitted with Bruce anchors as standard and found the Bruces to be useless in weed. I have changed the Bruces on all 3 boats for Deltas and never had a problem with any of them digging in although, for sure, the heavier they are the better they cut through the weed. Rocnas used to have a good reputation until they moved production to China when they became all bendy; search Scuttlebutt for threads on Rocna. I believe that Rocna have sorted their manufacturing problem now though. Personally though I'm happy with my Delta; in fact it held us secure last night in winds gusting to F7 in a bay where there was a lot of weed

 

[longjohnsilver]

My experience with Deltas has been completely the opposite. I have had 3 Ferrettis in a row fitted with Bruce anchors as standard and found the Bruces to be useless in weed. I have changed the Bruces on all 3 boats for Deltas and never had a problem with any of them digging in although, for sure, the heavier they are the better they cut through the weed. Rocnas used to have a good reputation until they moved production to China when they became all bendy; search Scuttlebutt for threads on Rocna. I believe that Rocna have sorted their manufacturing problem now though. Personally though I'm happy with my Delta; in fact it held us secure last night in winds gusting to F7 in a bay where there was a lot of weed

This pains me to say it, but I agree with Mike. I put a 40kg delta on Eos about 6 years ago and have anchored for well in excess of 100 nights since, including several gales, and not once has our anchor dragged.

 

[rwoofer]

This pains me to say it, but I agree with Mike. I put a 40kg delta on Eos about 6 years ago and have anchored for well in excess of 100 nights since, including several gales, and not once has our anchor dragged.

I had a 25kg Delta which was similarly good, however I do think the smaller Deltas aren't quite as good.

Some anchors just need a bit of weight to really start working...

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

I had a 25kg Delta which was similarly good, however I do think the smaller Deltas aren't quite as good.

Some anchors just need a bit of weight to really start working...

Maybe that's my issue then - mine's only a 16kg on 8mm chain. The problem is that (like the OP) to materially increase the size of the anchor will require a fair bit of surgery to the pointy end of the boat.

 

[NGM]

Re NGM - we just spent @ 4 days messing about around Cabo de Palos, Thomas Meastre, Los Alcazares etc around the Mar Menor. At 15m length, Cabo is just OK, but don't go into the marina, that gets very tight and shallow at the end, Los Alcazares I had to book ahead and they made space on the visitors pontoon. At Cabo I turned around right at the end of the moorings with all the restaurants on. At the time the place was full except for the corner so we tied up - hence the picture. It was a bit tight though.
If you have a sc42, then I think we may have passed each other at thomas maestre, you may have been going out late friday afternoon as I was making a mess of coming in.

Yes that was probably us. There's an excellent new restaurant at Thomas Maestre, right opposite the feul birth, the visitor bays are right outside.

 

[longjohnsilver]

Maybe that's my issue then - mine's only a 16kg on 8mm chain. The problem is that (like the OP) to materially increase the size of the anchor will require a fair bit of surgery to the pointy end of the boat.

A chain saw will make swift work of it for you Jimmy.....

 

[rwoofer]

Maybe that's my issue then - mine's only a 16kg on 8mm chain. The problem is that (like the OP) to materially increase the size of the anchor will require a fair bit of surgery to the pointy end of the boat.

Yes friends with a 16kg reported similar problems. Having owned CQR, Delta, Brittany, Spade and Rocna I do find the new gen anchors work consistently better. I have a Rocna on my little Mobo and a 15kg spade from my previous raggie and both proved excellent and never dragged or broke out.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Maybe that's my issue then - mine's only a 16kg on 8mm chain. The problem is that (like the OP) to materially increase the size of the anchor will require a fair bit of surgery to the pointy end of the boat.

Its worth it though. Nothing makes me sleep better at night than knowing that a big f*** off anchor and a shedload of chain is sitting on the seabed. Is 8mm the largest chain size your windlass can take?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Its worth it though. Nothing makes me sleep better at night than knowing that a big f*** off anchor and a shedload of chain is sitting on the seabed. Is 8mm the largest chain size your windlass can take?

No I think I can go up to 10mm just by changing the gypsy. That said, changing the gyspy, buying 80m of 10mm chain, a new 20 or 25kg anchor and the associated change to the bow roller and suddenly you're on the wrong side of £1k.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Yes friends with a 16kg reported similar problems. Having owned CQR, Delta, Brittany, Spade and Rocna I do find the new gen anchors work consistently better. I have a Rocna on my little Mobo and a 15kg spade from my previous raggie and both proved excellent and never dragged or broke out.

That's interesting. There's a constructional difference between the 16kg and the 20kg (next size up) which is that the thickness of the shank goes up from 13mm to 16mm (and again to 20mm when you get to 40kg).

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

No I think I can go up to 10mm just by changing the gypsy. That said, changing the gyspy, buying 80m of 10mm chain, a new 20 or 25kg anchor and the associated change to the bow roller and suddenly you're on the wrong side of £1k.

I bet you burn that in fuel in a week! What price peace of mind?

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

I bet you burn that in fuel in a week!

Next week, certainly, I hope. I'll add the anchor to my winter jobs list.