sarabande
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What about a working party one weekend to try and undo some of the damage, and provide a bit of boating community support to the victim ?
Bungled Boat Theft
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tangomoon
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Seems pretty cheap now
silver-fox
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I can empathise with the anger abd loss that your friend must feel. A few years ago I had my car nicked and burnt out. Whilst I was insured the sheer pointlessness of the wanton destruction is really upsetting.
The reality is of course that the scroats will have little in the way of personal wealth or income with which to make reparation.
In a similar situation, but with the boat damage much lower in value, I took civil action and accepted payment over a extended period. You have to virtually do the courts and the bailiffs jobs for them to stop the scroats working the system, pleading poverty etc but it can be done.
Its of little practical benefit of course but if they have to pay up for an extended period and have a CCJ against them there is some small feeling of revenge (sorry I meant justice) and you feel they haven't been able to walk away free.
Some people would send "Luigi and the boys" round to discuss it thoroughly and set up a repayment plan but I couldn't recommend that.
Very sorry to hear the news indeed.
The reality is of course that the scroats will have little in the way of personal wealth or income with which to make reparation.
In a similar situation, but with the boat damage much lower in value, I took civil action and accepted payment over a extended period. You have to virtually do the courts and the bailiffs jobs for them to stop the scroats working the system, pleading poverty etc but it can be done.
Its of little practical benefit of course but if they have to pay up for an extended period and have a CCJ against them there is some small feeling of revenge (sorry I meant justice) and you feel they haven't been able to walk away free.
Some people would send "Luigi and the boys" round to discuss it thoroughly and set up a repayment plan but I couldn't recommend that.
Very sorry to hear the news indeed.
Cliveshep
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Frankly I tend to agree with the more anarchic views here on treatment for criminals of all persuasions, my particular feeling is that they all have a "parts" value on the international organ market, corneas, liver, kidneys, lungs, bone marrow etc, or in extreme cases, hearts.
That way they would "pay" for their crimes.
However, first we would have to dump the EU and the HR Act!
That way they would "pay" for their crimes.
However, first we would have to dump the EU and the HR Act!
CodStewart
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roycharles
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Off with their goolies!
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beancounter
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Strewth - you are all getting a bit gung-ho here, advocating (amongst other things) execution, castration and deportation (possibly all at the same time).
I'm reading "The Last King of Scotland" at the moment. Unless tongues are in cheeks during these posts, Idi Amin would feel right at home on this forum... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I'm reading "The Last King of Scotland" at the moment. Unless tongues are in cheeks during these posts, Idi Amin would feel right at home on this forum... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
EdWingfield
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I presume all the contributors here led angelic teenage lives?
Come on, own up.
Come on, own up.
StugeronSteve
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I will be interested to hear how you get on with the book. The film was very powerful.
Shannoner
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Strewth - you are all getting a bit gung-ho here, advocating (amongst other things) execution, castration and deportation (possibly all at the same time).
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I thought your fathers, grandfathers fought a war from 1939 till 1945 to stop a certain Mr. A. Hitlter who was rather fond of the above practices'
How about when Sellafield is decommissioned you build a nice big concentration camp there, ship all the scroats up there and leave them to die a nice slow death from radiation poisoning.
Strewth - you are all getting a bit gung-ho here, advocating (amongst other things) execution, castration and deportation (possibly all at the same time).
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I thought your fathers, grandfathers fought a war from 1939 till 1945 to stop a certain Mr. A. Hitlter who was rather fond of the above practices'
How about when Sellafield is decommissioned you build a nice big concentration camp there, ship all the scroats up there and leave them to die a nice slow death from radiation poisoning.
aknight
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I presume all the contributors here led angelic teenage lives?
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Far from it, but equally I didn't commit the kinds of economically damaging offences mentioned here.
My cousin down the road on the other hand, was more criminally inclined but just a bit cr*p (runs in the family). He nicked a car with his mate and got into a car chase with the cops, sirens, all that stuff. Bravely he volunteered to stay with car while slowing down to allow his mate to roll out of the car on a blind corner, which his mate duly did and escaped. My cousin then continued on to the next blind corner and did likewise. Whereupon the cop car came round the corner, hit him and broke his leg.
Upon his subsequent release from borstal, undeterred, he once again embarked upon his car thieving career. This time the police knew where to find him of course. He took one look out his bedroom window to see the old bill walking up to the front door and ran through to the back bedroom and jumped out of the window to escape. Thereby breaking the other leg.
Upon his subsequent release from borstal, you'll be pleased to know, he decided that working for living might be easier...
I presume all the contributors here led angelic teenage lives?
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Far from it, but equally I didn't commit the kinds of economically damaging offences mentioned here.
My cousin down the road on the other hand, was more criminally inclined but just a bit cr*p (runs in the family). He nicked a car with his mate and got into a car chase with the cops, sirens, all that stuff. Bravely he volunteered to stay with car while slowing down to allow his mate to roll out of the car on a blind corner, which his mate duly did and escaped. My cousin then continued on to the next blind corner and did likewise. Whereupon the cop car came round the corner, hit him and broke his leg.
Upon his subsequent release from borstal, undeterred, he once again embarked upon his car thieving career. This time the police knew where to find him of course. He took one look out his bedroom window to see the old bill walking up to the front door and ran through to the back bedroom and jumped out of the window to escape. Thereby breaking the other leg.
Upon his subsequent release from borstal, you'll be pleased to know, he decided that working for living might be easier...
Richard10002
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Strewth - you are all getting a bit gung-ho here, advocating (amongst other things) execution, castration and deportation (possibly all at the same time).
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I thought your fathers, grandfathers fought a war from 1939 till 1945 to stop a certain Mr. A. Hitlter who was rather fond of the above practices'
How about when Sellafield is decommissioned you build a nice big concentration camp there, ship all the scroats up there and leave them to die a nice slow death from radiation poisoning.
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Exactly and, as with all things, there is a happy medium. When a government is seen to be benefitting the perpetrators of crime, and penalising the victims, society becomes ripe for something which offers a radical alternative.
The same goes for benefitting those who wont work and penalising those who do, or benefitting those who come here from foreign countries, and penalising those who were born here.... and so on.
The pendulum has swung too far in the direction of the perpetrators and there are many who would welcome a radical alternative.
I wonder how many people have considered voting BNP as a protest against the immigration situation... It wont be just a few. However, almost none of them would actually want a society run in accordance with BNP policy. They are just sick and tired of the current situation.
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Strewth - you are all getting a bit gung-ho here, advocating (amongst other things) execution, castration and deportation (possibly all at the same time).
[/ QUOTE ]
I thought your fathers, grandfathers fought a war from 1939 till 1945 to stop a certain Mr. A. Hitlter who was rather fond of the above practices'
How about when Sellafield is decommissioned you build a nice big concentration camp there, ship all the scroats up there and leave them to die a nice slow death from radiation poisoning.
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Exactly and, as with all things, there is a happy medium. When a government is seen to be benefitting the perpetrators of crime, and penalising the victims, society becomes ripe for something which offers a radical alternative.
The same goes for benefitting those who wont work and penalising those who do, or benefitting those who come here from foreign countries, and penalising those who were born here.... and so on.
The pendulum has swung too far in the direction of the perpetrators and there are many who would welcome a radical alternative.
I wonder how many people have considered voting BNP as a protest against the immigration situation... It wont be just a few. However, almost none of them would actually want a society run in accordance with BNP policy. They are just sick and tired of the current situation.
DRANNIE
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I've got some sympathy for the bloke but who seriously would own an asset worth 10's or hundreds of thousands and risk it all on a £500 a year outlay. Would we have the same sympathy if he cocked up and spannered the boat himself?
His heart ruled his head, he should have flogged it when he realised he couldn't afford the upkeep and bought something he could afford to run.
I wonder how many people here don't insure the second most valuable asset?
His heart ruled his head, he should have flogged it when he realised he couldn't afford the upkeep and bought something he could afford to run.
I wonder how many people here don't insure the second most valuable asset?
Norman_E
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How old were the two culprits? They may have no assets worth sueing for, but if they are under 18 do their parents have civil liability?
DavenHelen
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Major Catastrophe
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I wonder how many people have considered voting BNP as a protest against the immigration situation...
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Luckily, very few and I hope it stays that way.
I wonder how many people have considered voting BNP as a protest against the immigration situation...
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Luckily, very few and I hope it stays that way.
aknight
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How old were the two culprits? They may have no assets worth sueing for, but if they are under 18 do their parents have civil liability?
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With some limited exceptions (liability under contracts are the primary example) minors actually have the same rights and duties in civil law as adults do. They are liable for their own tortious activities.
Their (relative!) immaturity is relevant in some cases, however. For example in a case of negligence, the minor’s actions aren’t assessed by reference to the (usual) standard of the reasonable man, but instead by reference to the standard that would be displayed by a reasonable and prudent child of the same age.
It’s understandable to hope that the parents of a minor would be liable to pay up for damage caused by their child’s civil law wrongdoings. Unfortunately, this is only infrequently the case. The most common examples of parents being found liable are when they have personally been negligent. There is a leading case dating back to 1916 in which a father failed to exercise reasonable control over a 15 year old who injured another child’s eye with an airgun. The deciding factor for the court was that the father had already failed to exercise proper control on a previous occasion, by not taking the gun off the 15 year old after he had shot out a neighbour’s window.
How old were the two culprits? They may have no assets worth sueing for, but if they are under 18 do their parents have civil liability?
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With some limited exceptions (liability under contracts are the primary example) minors actually have the same rights and duties in civil law as adults do. They are liable for their own tortious activities.
Their (relative!) immaturity is relevant in some cases, however. For example in a case of negligence, the minor’s actions aren’t assessed by reference to the (usual) standard of the reasonable man, but instead by reference to the standard that would be displayed by a reasonable and prudent child of the same age.
It’s understandable to hope that the parents of a minor would be liable to pay up for damage caused by their child’s civil law wrongdoings. Unfortunately, this is only infrequently the case. The most common examples of parents being found liable are when they have personally been negligent. There is a leading case dating back to 1916 in which a father failed to exercise reasonable control over a 15 year old who injured another child’s eye with an airgun. The deciding factor for the court was that the father had already failed to exercise proper control on a previous occasion, by not taking the gun off the 15 year old after he had shot out a neighbour’s window.
Richard10002
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I wonder how many people have considered voting BNP as a protest against the immigration situation...
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Luckily, very few and I hope it stays that way.
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There is no way you can know that... and most wouldnt declare any way.
I think it was Patricia Hewitt who got a few surprises on the doorsteps, and recognised that something needed to be done about it... As usual, I think a bit of noise was made, but havent seen much action.
Apparently the government are currently busy texting those who have outstayed their visa to tell them so... kind of a signal telling them it's time to hide.
Bit this can only be for those here with a previously legal visa and associated paperwork.
and so on and so on and so on.
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I wonder how many people have considered voting BNP as a protest against the immigration situation...
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Luckily, very few and I hope it stays that way.
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There is no way you can know that... and most wouldnt declare any way.
I think it was Patricia Hewitt who got a few surprises on the doorsteps, and recognised that something needed to be done about it... As usual, I think a bit of noise was made, but havent seen much action.
Apparently the government are currently busy texting those who have outstayed their visa to tell them so... kind of a signal telling them it's time to hide.
Bit this can only be for those here with a previously legal visa and associated paperwork.
and so on and so on and so on.
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How is sending the problem to highly trained and disciplined troops, who have much more pressing things to worry about, going to solve the problem?
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I was thinking more along the lines of sending them to do community service imbedded with an Iraqi community - in one of the more extremist Al Qaeda locations of course - rather than dumping them on our own army. Just dreaming, sigh...
How is sending the problem to highly trained and disciplined troops, who have much more pressing things to worry about, going to solve the problem?
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I was thinking more along the lines of sending them to do community service imbedded with an Iraqi community - in one of the more extremist Al Qaeda locations of course - rather than dumping them on our own army. Just dreaming, sigh...
raven
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Yes Dave thats the story taken from the local newspaper - culprits aged 17 & 18 and so it may well be worth following up on Norman E's suggestion about parental liability.
The question raised by Dranie about the wisdom of third party liability is a valid one - I guess that the boat was worth about £30k, a very substantial proportion of that being two brand new engines fitted last year. The rest of the value is the sum of a lot of hard work and devotion on the part of the owner. He's retired and spends most of his time summer and winter "tinkering" with the boat. He's a handy guy (qualified electrician and useful welder) and the boat has been a labour of love.
I dont know his financial situation but would guess that the fully comp premium plus the survey cost represent a very significant outlay for him and he decided to chance it - like I said earlier he gambled and lost!
The question raised by Dranie about the wisdom of third party liability is a valid one - I guess that the boat was worth about £30k, a very substantial proportion of that being two brand new engines fitted last year. The rest of the value is the sum of a lot of hard work and devotion on the part of the owner. He's retired and spends most of his time summer and winter "tinkering" with the boat. He's a handy guy (qualified electrician and useful welder) and the boat has been a labour of love.
I dont know his financial situation but would guess that the fully comp premium plus the survey cost represent a very significant outlay for him and he decided to chance it - like I said earlier he gambled and lost!
