Bungled Boat Theft

Singapore isn't quite so invemtive -- they just take teh skin off your back with a cane -- and have to say this is teh about teh safest, cleanest and least crime ridden places I have ener lived...

Living in London, used to see gangs of kids littering and geerally behaving in a way that my wife considered threatening -- I am 6'5" and never felt that myself -- unsure whether due to size or stupidit, but the prospect of a few them being rounded up and thrashed certainly crossed my mind.

Police in Oslo Norway were pretty imaginative about dealer with ladies of the night -- they would drive them 5 or 10 kilometres out of town and get them to walk in 00 which in a short skirt, miniskirt and -25 C temperature also worked as an effective deterrant!

Trouble is in the UK, penal system is failing -- magistrates courts lack the will, or if they impose a punishm,ent that fits the crime, some human rights lawyers bleats about hoiw unfair it is.

However if you do something unlawful that costs me 20k then interest starts accruing and every penny that you get above a minmum subsistance -- and I mean susbsistance -- water and rice and roof over your head is mine, untilt eh debt abd interest are repaid --

If unemployed they should be set to work cleaning streets -- their earnings come to me. If they get a job, the paycheck is mine and they should still have to work on days off doing community type service where the income comes to me.

If you inherit money. property, its mine, you win the lottery, mine again. indeed I think if you win the lottery and are a convicted felon, the winnings should be divided among your victims....

Make these people keep paying for life -- keep them in poverty -- real poverty, until the debt is paid.

These people should also be subject to random searches, both of person and property -- any money found above subsistance needs is confiscated and given to me -- any valuables -- TVs games, etc is confiscated -- if the property belongs to a partner or spouse they can retrieve it once -- but if its there next time police come knocking its gone -- sold to repay me -- Make these nasty little buggers lives so unpleasant -- no free time, no social life, no luxuries, and no one who is willing to live with them for fear of losing posessions. Bet that kind of thing would dry up in a few months.

Nick
 
I have no difficulty with making the villains restore (some of ?) the value to the owner by attaching orders to anything they earn in the future, but...

If forced repayment is accepted as a principal, then how do you deal with the difference between a criminal act which causes a huge £m amount of damage (say a 14yr old setting fire to a school) and (the same little villain) keying a car ?

Both acts are wrong, both take the same amount of "intent", both can be accomplished in the same amount of time, but the financial impact is quite dissimilar.

Now let's consider damage to human life. How do you put a value on someone's life which is massively affected by rape, assault, aggravated burglary ?

I don't know the answers, but have a moral instinct that the villain ought to pay, but how much, and for how long ? What effect will a £1million repayment order have on a person whose earning capacity is just the mimimum wage ?


I just don't know !
 
Yes, I think the thing that hit me hardest when I heard the whole sorry story last night - apart from the sense of loss experienced by the boat owner, was the bitter frustration at the knowledge that these two guys are not going to be held accountable in any real way, shape or form.

A_7 I hear what you are saying but, believe me, there was absolutely no seamanship involved. The island forms part of the channel approach to harbour and is less than 100 yds from the moorings - the prats would have been hard pressed to miss it without power.....and unfortunatley they did not miss the rocks!
 
Or get them involved in removing graffiti near busy train lines and occasionally get the guard dogs to chase them [toward the tracks]
 
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Now let's consider damage to human life. How do you put a value on someone's life which is massively affected by rape, assault, aggravated burglary ?

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My mother-in-law was effectively killed by some pathetic little scrote who burgled her house while she was away. Nothing of any value was taken but she never recovered from the shock of seeing her personal papers and photographs scattered around. She aged 10 years in 24 hours and died shortly after.

It was very distressing to see a strong intelligent woman destroyed by a total nonentity who had probably forgotten about it by the time he got his next fix.

So my response to your point is that I think such people should pay in proprtion to the actual consequences of their actions, even if they thought they wre just 'having a laugh'. It is because they don't think about the consequences of the things that they do that they are such a menace.
 
Hear! Hear! Line 'em up and shoot them before they do any more damage or you have to use your tax money to pay for their prison time.
One thing many countries in South East Asia have right is that the inmates have to pay for their food and other daily necessities. It's no free ride like it is in the UK.
 
I guess I could find a tenner too.

Fortunately, this time, nobody paid for the stunt with their life. These pranks all too often end in tradgedy, like when the two lads "borrowed" a tender in Portland last year.

Still smarting about the lack of insurance though. Fire and theft have to be the two greatest risks to one's own boat and, almost, completely out of your own control. Somebody might consider themselves so competent that it isn't worth insuring against hitting something hard, but.... Mind you, if the keys were left in an unsecured cockpit locker the insurance would probably not pay up.
 
Happy to chip in my tenner too, as long as we are talking about a genuinely impecunious pensioner.

Just a thought though. If the little scrotes are convicted, that conviction is then admissible as evidence in a civil claim for the damage to the boat. It should then be straightforward to obtain a judgement against the perpetrators. Then to obtain enforcement orders.

Of course, we all know that they have nothing. But by keeping the pressure on them at least we will ruin their economic lives as people have indicated above. Given the way this country works - where everything is reduced to an economic rather than a moral issue - that will remind them of their crime quite effectively for quite a while.

Nothing to stop the collected tenners being used to pay for repairs first, by the way, and then that being used as the basis for the damages claim. The donations should not be described as gifts, however, but as loans, so that the owner can still claim that he has suffered damage on which to found the civil claim (we can of course waive our £10 loans later).
 
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Well said Richard , maybe it's time we got away from politically correct and started saying what we think , fat chance , I fully expect that I'll wake up in the morning to a thorough flaming for saying so , but this entire country seems to have lost all of its moral values in favour of looking after the so called down trodden few

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could not agree more and we "civilised " /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif peoples of the world consider the likes of some nations justice systems to be barbaric! who are supposed to be the civilised ones ?. (NOT WE)
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Fortunately, this time, nobody paid for the stunt with their life. These pranks all too often end in tradgedy, like when the two lads "borrowed" a tender in Portland last year.


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Shouldn't that be 'unfortunately'.

I'm all for the scum to get hit by trains, sink, run over, expire from avian influenza etc
 
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so how about sending them to do a few months community service in one of the less salubrious sectors of Baghdad?

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How is sending the problem to highly trained and disciplined troops, who have much more pressing things to worry about, going to solve the problem?

Okay, I know you were only joking.

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Might be better to give them to the military. Recruiting seems to be down

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Ditto. Army is not reform school.
 
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Like I said, just kill 'em. They aren't worth the space.

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WY WAST THE BULLET OR EXECUTION COSTS JUST WORK THE B*STARDS TO DEATH ON A PENAL COLONY THAT MAKES MONEY TO HELP TO PAY BACK THEIR DEBT
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My tenner is also ready, as I am sure are many other of the forum members.
As to what to do with these scum bags...how about using them as organ donors?! That way at least they could enrich other (more deserving) peoples lives. Also help to clean up the gene pool.....stop the little scrotes breeding!

Reduces the tax burden for issuing giros and ASBO'S! Hey, I could be on to something.......! A vote for me is a vote for common sense.

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