Bukh DV20/diesel engine guru's needed!

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OK, let me tell you a story! Back in mid April when we had the lovely weather we took the boat out for the day, pottered along the coast, anchored off a beach and later pottered back to the mooring. All fine and dandy!

On the way back to the mooring there was a sort of grinding sound that was worse at higher revs and there seemed to be a reduction in oomph so to keep the noise down we limped back to the mooring almost on tick over.

The problem was identified (on a BW6 gear box) as the output flange was rotating on the shaft, and that is what the noise was. Investigations revealed that the BW7 gearbox was a better box and more or less a straight swap for the BW6 (it's predecessor!). So the hunt then commenced for a replacement BW7 gearbox and the BW6 gearbox was removed from the boat.

Bear in mind this is all being done afloat and to get to everything the fuel tank also had to be removed! Anyway, eventually located a BW7 gearbox and fitted that last week. The output shaft is higher than the BW6 so the mounting brackets had to be lowered to line up correctly. The BW7 is also slightly shorter, so an R&D coupling was used to "fill the gap" and all was going swimmingly.

With everything put back together and checked over it was time to start the engine, turned the keep and the starter engaged but couldn't turn the engine (with or without the de-compression lever moved) and constant trying resulted in smoke from starter motor as it was being overloaded.

After a rest, I eventually got the motor (decompressed) to turn a bit and thought maybe the battery had lost charge after sitting without charge for two months. This evening went out with two battery packs and a complete fully charged battery. Could get the motor turning but it seemed that a lot of effort was required to do it and then only when decompressed, virtually came to a dead stop when compression applied.

In summary, engine was running prior to gearbox removal. It has stood unused with exhaust, fuel and water disconnected for two months. It is not possible to turn the engine by hand and lifting rocker cover off revealed nothing untoward.

ANY help gratefully received, dont know where to start but with all the effort that has gone to getting a new gearbox on it in a confined space and afloat, I am feeling very downhearted at the moment! Can anyone cheer me up?

My grateful thanks in advance.

Engine is c1980, if that makes a difference.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with the engine as it was working before unless there's some sort of hydraulic lock.Any chance of water having found it's way into the cylinders?
I'd be more inclined to blame the gearbox or the way it was assembled on to the engine.Can the shaft be turned with the box in neutral?I'm assuming the box was free before.
 
If it's a hydraulic lock, you should be able to turn it over by hand with the decompression lever. Is it possible that some water got in the exhaust port when you removed the exhaust? If so, the resultant rust could create a partial seizure.
 
So the hunt then commenced for a replacement BW7 gearbox ...

The engine was working, then you fitted something to it and now it doesn't work.

I think I would first of all be suspicious of the replacement gearbox.
 
I can turn the shaft quite happily in neutral and the gearbox, prior to fitment, turned smoothly and easily in both neutral and in gear.

Regarding the possibility of water getting in the exhaust, I guess anything's possible but it would have had to be residual water "in the system" prior to the exhaust removal, is that possible?

When it does turn over with the starter (albeit reluctantly) it will do so with the decompression lever moved but virtually stops when not decompressed. I sort of felt this pointed to an engine issue rather than the gearbox?

Taking the water in cylinder scenario, is this fairly terminal or can it be successfully treated?

I'm not feeling any less glum guys!! Anyone got any good news, and I know it's a lovely day and the sun is shining and it would be great to be OUT in the boat!!!
 
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I also suspect something wrong with the gearbox to engine fit. When it went back together did everything connect as expected? Were all dimensions checked and found to be identical?

Can you turn the engine over by hand? It should be difficult at TDC but otherwise should rotate freely, especially with the decompressors activated.

There is not a lot in the workshop manual that will help, but if you don't have one there is a link to a downloadable copy on my website, under 'Links'. Both gearboxes are included but a quick scan doesn't show me much about swapping them.
 
Yes, the gearboxes were identical at the engine end and went together without any problems at all. It was merely the length of the gearbox and height of the output shaft that caused a bit of messing around with the engine mounts. The gearbox actually came off another DV20 so it should fit!

I've had a look at the manual, and as you say there's not a lot to go on there, and given the history of the gearbox I keep coming back to the engine but know not what to do next. :-(

I've been desperately trying to get this sorted before the end of term, as a single parent, I was hoping to take my son over to the Channel Islands & France, but what was going to be a great holiday and experience for him seems to be drifting further away!

Many thanks for all the suggestions, keep them coming please...
 
Funnily enough, just got off the phone with them, got to call them back in a little while whilst they check something. Certainly sounded quite positive, which was good!

I'll report back result ....
 
OK, let me tell you a story! Back in mid April when we had the lovely weather we took the boat out for the day, pottered along the coast, anchored off a beach and later pottered back to the mooring. All fine and dandy!

On the way back to the mooring there was a sort of grinding sound that was worse at higher revs and there seemed to be a reduction in oomph so to keep the noise down we limped back to the mooring almost on tick over.

ANY help gratefully received, dont know where to start but with all the effort that has gone to getting a new gearbox on it in a confined space and afloat, I am feeling very downhearted at the moment! Can anyone cheer me up?

My grateful thanks in advance.

Engine is c1980, if that makes a difference.


I would say: assume the new gearbox is working. Is the alignment absolutely ok? You might dissconnect the shaft to check the engine/gearbox arrangement.

Is the engine oil in good shape - not contaminated? Must be clear - any appearance of black butter and you have water contamination: rocker cover off and all oil purged from the engine!

When moving the engine about you have not fouled the flywheel on anything?

When these peripherals have been eliminated, then it's time to consider something more fundamental with the engine; compression / valve clearance?

Don't forget you can phone Al or Norman at Bukh, Poole, who have a wealth of experience and will objectively make suggestions: they are not out to flog you gear that you don't need.

PWG
 
Unfortunately Norman is on holiday until Tuesday next week and the chap I spoke to had done some ringing around but couldn't get an answer.

The thinking is that the flange that is on the engine that mates with the gearbox may be a slightly different thickness between the BW6 and BW7 and whilst otherwise identical in every other respect the millimeter or so difference in the flange may be rubbing on the gearbox and stopping the engine turning!

Anyway, apparently Norm's the man, so I'll have to wait until Tuesday to get the real answer. I may try and separate the gearbox from the engine a little over the weekend and see if this has an effect, at least it might confirm the suspicion!

Many thanks all for your help ... I'll report back on the ultimate solution!
 
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Update - success!!!

Well over to the boat I went this afternoon, not really expecting much I have to admit. Anyway, I loosened all of the gearbox nuts and then tried to turn the engine and she turned over readily!!!

Re-tightened (perhaps not quite so tight!) all of the nuts, checked that the engine still turned and then for the first time in over two months, fuel and water on and away she went with very little effort!!

I am so pleased, relieved and happy that the boat is operational again and that our summer dreams may yet become reality. Thank you to one and all for the suggestions, I guess in summary I must have been over zealous with tightening the flange nuts holding the gearbox to the engine. I didn't realise the tolerance was that close that it would stop the engine.

I still intend to call Norman on Tuesday to discuss with him but otherwise a very happy bunny here!
 
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