Building our boat

Interesting stuff Kristof; thanks for keeping us updated. Progress looks nice and fast

In those last pictures I suppose I'm surprised that the hull is built with virtually no frames. Plenty of stringers, but no frames. I cannot figure out why. I'm not saying there is anything wrong and the naval architects will have done the maths, but I'm surprised at the result.

What are you plans re horsepower engines you will install?
 
Hi and sorry for the late answer. Have been busy days lately.
According to the people of the yard more frames are not needed. I tought also there must be more frames to make the hull more stiff. If I push the hull, I can feel there is still some flexibility. Got to talk this over again, they say there is nothing to worry about. Don't know if a certain grade of flexibility is allowed or better/worse than a rigid hull?
Next week some workers will come to finish polyesterworks and install tanks and side-windows. Maybe I can ask them to make some more frames...

About the engine: we were planning to install a Weichai-Deutz 6-cyl, 160 hp. At this moment there seems to be a problem with the CE-certificate. There is a approval for the emission, but for the sound levels there should be a (expensive) test by an external bureau.
Maybe we will switch to an other engine.. Suggestions?
 
As far as I know you cannot get a raw engine CE certified for noise. The noise depends on the installation (mounts, exhaust design, etc) so you would indeed need to have the boat tested on the water after it is built, by a sound expert firm. Complex stuff. That is my understnading but there are proper CE experts on this forum so it would be good to wait for their replies
 
kristof_dani said:
Hi and sorry for the late answer. Have been busy days lately.
According to the people of the yard more frames are not needed. I tought also there must be more frames to make the hull more stiff. If I push the hull, I can feel there is still some flexibility. Got to talk this over again, they say there is nothing to worry about. Don't know if a certain grade of flexibility is allowed or better/worse than a rigid hull?
Next week some workers will come to finish polyesterworks and install tanks and side-windows. Maybe I can ask them to make some more frames...

About the engine: we were planning to install a Weichai-Deutz 6-cyl, 160 hp. At this moment there seems to be a problem with the CE-certificate. There is a approval for the emission, but for the sound levels there should be a (expensive) test by an external bureau.
Maybe we will switch to an other engine.. Suggestions?
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KD,

#1 What is behind your thinking by fitting a licence built Weichai Deutz?? In my experience Deutz darn good motors the Weichai versions do not come up to scratch in many details particularly injection system, does it claim to have RCD approval?

#2 If you are building this vessel for personal use you are exempt from RCD noise approval...'craft built for own use, provided that they are not subsequently placed on the Community market during a period of five years'.

What about using a Vetus Deutz? Home builds are difficult to value when you come to sell it at the best of times, with China built Deutz clone I think many people will run a mile.
 
The Weichai Deutz engine was proposed by the shipyard as a more budget-friendly alternative to Perkins or Volvo Penta. From clients that allready have such one I've only heard good experiences.
But there is no RCD approval included for noise. Emission certificate is no problem...

The story of personal use I've considered allready, but I'd like to keep my options open (sale/charter etc..)

Does Vetus Deutz have a RCD approval or has there also have to be a test after building? Or is this allways neccessairy for all brands/types of engines like jfm suggested?

Greets and thanks for the replys!

Kristof.
 
kristof_dani said:
The Weichai Deutz engine was proposed by the shipyard as a more budget-friendly alternative to Perkins or Volvo Penta. From clients that allready have such one I've only heard good experiences.
But there is no RCD approval included for noise. Emission certificate is no problem...

The story of personal use I've considered allready, but I'd like to keep my options open (sale/charter etc..)

Does Vetus Deutz have a RCD approval or has there also have to be a test after building? Or is this allways neccessairy for all brands/types of engines like jfm suggested?

Greets and thanks for the replys!

Kristof.
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As others have said, RCD emissions should be done by the manufacturer on a test bed, witnessed by an Approval Authority. The pass-by noise test should be done with the completed boat, again witnessed by an Approval Authority. it is not so expensive to be done, and you will almost certainly need this if you charter or sell-on.

You could PM me for more details.
 
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kristof_dani said:
The Weichai Deutz engine was proposed by the shipyard as a more budget-friendly alternative to Perkins or Volvo Penta. From clients that allready have such one I've only heard good experiences.
But there is no RCD approval included for noise. Emission certificate is no problem...

The story of personal use I've considered allready, but I'd like to keep my options open (sale/charter etc..)

Does Vetus Deutz have a RCD approval or has there also have to be a test after building? Or is this allways neccessairy for all brands/types of engines like jfm suggested?

Greets and thanks for the replys!

Kristof.
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All current Vetus Deutz ratings are RCD approved, however they no longer do equivalent model as you are looking at, as it is non compliant, surely this must tell a story.

You say Weichai Deutz have RCD emissions approval, suggest this is more data sheet smoke and windows from China. Personally I have no time for this stuff, usually ends in tears.

IF you DO want to keep your options open then it will cost you.........Noise test to meet RCD is a vessel not an engine approval. There are bodies in the UK which will carry out the required noise tests and levels are not particularly strict, however this is all about to change. Once again I would elect to go down the 'personal use' route and avoid the certification stuff.

Good luck
 
Hi guys,

some news about the possibillities for the engine.
At the moment there are three options availlable:

1. Perkins M 135
2. Vetus Deutz DTA 44
3. FPT N67 150

The Fiat PowerTrain could be delivered by an nearby dealer and is toghether with te revearsing gear coupling in the price range of the Vetus Deutz.
Perkins seems to be a bit less expensive than the other two.

For now I 'm thinking in the direction of the FPT for service/after sales etc, but I'm not familiar with the brand.

Any experiences with these engines?

Greets, Kristof.
 
Hi Kristof,

Great to read your story on this forum. I believe your boat was sold as a Vace 12 or something like it no? I keep my boat near the Bieschbosch in the Netherlands and remember seeing one there a couple of years ago. Very nice boats. When we spotted it triggered a recurring debates with my boating mates that something with those lines and a roof on makes more sense for our climate and predominantly inland boating than the sportscruisers we insist on running. Having one engine frees up a lot of space.

Good luck with your project and maybe well meet on the water in a few years time.
Currently running a targa 40 with a forum flag.

Would love to do the same one day but it will have to wait untill I am retired.

Rob
 
Hi Rob,

Nice to see there are some more Belgian guys on the forum :)

Indeed, the boat you've been seeing is based in 's Hertogenbosch and is the first one that was build.
We had a few meetings with the owner on his boat, but in fact we were sold after the first time we saw it..

When the boat is in the water we could meet and have a Belgian beer on the boat!

Groeten!
 
kristof_dani said:
Hi guys,

some news about the possibillities for the engine.
At the moment there are three options availlable:

1. Perkins M 135
2. Vetus Deutz DTA 44
3. FPT N67 150

The Fiat PowerTrain could be delivered by an nearby dealer and is toghether with te revearsing gear coupling in the price range of the Vetus Deutz.
Perkins seems to be a bit less expensive than the other two.

For now I 'm thinking in the direction of the FPT for service/after sales etc, but I'm not familiar with the brand.

Any experiences with these engines?

Greets, Kristof.
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FPT (Fiat Powertrain) is a central engineering and supply business unit, supplying Fiat/Alfa/Iveco/CNH. They clearly also supply other applications like marine. It is likely that the engine you describe is used in a Fiat or Iveco light commercial vehicle. They have supplied marine engines for several years, and I think Vas off the Mitos thread has Iveco engines in his boats. I have no experience of them in a marine application, and Latestarter will have a view on their suitability.
 
Hi rafiki!
According to the sales manager the engine is used in a iveco commercial vehicle like you said.
Like most other pleasure boating engines in this range its a "marinesed" engine from the car industry.
For me it is a brand I only know from the small truck in my business.

Looking forward for some more views!
 
Hi Kristof,

unfortunately I can't give advice on the engines, no experience,
perhaps you could also have a look at Nanni, build on a Kubota block iirc,
my late uncle had one in a Beneteau Antares 630, and was very pleased with it.

when can we expect new photo's ?
you know that mates on here are waiting for them :)

mvg
Bart
 
Aha! The other Belgian!
Hi Bart,
Sorry to say I have no more new pics because not much happened lately.
The people from the shipyard are struggling against bankrupt I heard this morning.

I think the final grp works etc will have to be done by someone else ( guess that would be me for a big part..)
For the moment I have to find out if and what I still can expect from the builder...

But of course when there is some progression I let you know!
 
Hi Kristof,
Lancing Marine in Chichister marinise Ford tractor engines...I can recommend them personally as I bought a transit Ford 2.5 diesel & gearbox/ prop., fantastic combination that works straight out of the box. Very Very reliable.

Marinised tractor engines cost about 40% less than equivalent marine engines, and are a better choice because if the lower revs/ higher torque output for ploughing.They also supply props & Shafts, gearboxes. Everything just drops into place.
Tractor Spares are available even in third world countries.

Everything to do with boats is automatically marked up by 200% at least!!!

Please publish some specs....cruise speed, fuel consumption etc....
 
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