mainshiptom
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For a new boat is that an important document and what is the purpose of this document for a new boat?
Tom
Tom
Builder’s certificate
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jfm
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I'd be interested to hear of a purpose for it because I can't think of one. It might be one of the Emporer's new clothes. I have one for the last boat and it doesn't say much. Sort of "we built this boat, signed FL", as if that was ever in doubt...!
Brokers etc always seem to ask for it, though I suspect not having it is nowhere near as big a crime as not having a VAT doc
(Which reminds me...) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I wonder if posters like Mapis and PY could tell us if B'Certs exist in other countries. Rest of Europe? US? Aus/NZ? Or is it just a UK thing?
Brokers etc always seem to ask for it, though I suspect not having it is nowhere near as big a crime as not having a VAT doc
(Which reminds me...) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I wonder if posters like Mapis and PY could tell us if B'Certs exist in other countries. Rest of Europe? US? Aus/NZ? Or is it just a UK thing?
mainshiptom
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The bank seem to like it , they have a copy and they are after the original..
Aus do have it !
Aus do have it !
David2452
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The only uses I've found for it so far are (the already mentioned) bank but it also exempts you from BSS for four years if you are somewhere that needs one.
MapisM
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PY surely knows better than myself which documents a new boat come with, these days.
But the certificate you're talking about reminds me of the Declaration of Conformity.
Which actually tells a bit more than "we built this boat".
Not sure if it's the same thing, though.
But the certificate you're talking about reminds me of the Declaration of Conformity.
Which actually tells a bit more than "we built this boat".
Not sure if it's the same thing, though.
jfm
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I think they're different. At least, on my last boat I had a BC and a DoC as separate docs
Nickb
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Builders certificate forms part of the title,
If builders Cert is to first (private) owner there will be no bill of sale for this transaction
If builders cert is made out to a company (dealer etc.) there will then be a BOS from this company to first owner
In many ways it is as important as having a bill of sale
If builders Cert is to first (private) owner there will be no bill of sale for this transaction
If builders cert is made out to a company (dealer etc.) there will then be a BOS from this company to first owner
In many ways it is as important as having a bill of sale
PowerYachtBlog
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I dont know in all countries, but in Malta if you registered a new boat on Valletta which is like UK Part.1 this is requested really
I think in part.1 UK for a new boat this is requested too
some builders will give this as standard though others not, I think this is stupid really to pay like 500 EUROS for a builder certificate the same for a DOC CE certificate
many builders today join DOC and BC togather, bot some others dont as JFM says
I think in part.1 UK for a new boat this is requested too
some builders will give this as standard though others not, I think this is stupid really to pay like 500 EUROS for a builder certificate the same for a DOC CE certificate
many builders today join DOC and BC togather, bot some others dont as JFM says
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The Builders Certificate serves a number of purposes. Firstly as NickB says, it confirms the name and address of the first owner, usually the selling dealer. Subsequent changes of ownership are registered with bills of sale. Then it confirms the HIN (hull identification number) and year of build and, often a yard number so that later in the boats life, the boat's age and provenance can be demonstrated. It also gives information concerning the dimensions and gross tonnage of the boat which may be used for registration purposes although usually a surveyor confirms this. There are also details of the type of engines fitted by the builder
If you Part 1 register a boat, the original builders certificate is normally kept by the registrar. It is an important document that should be kept safe. I certainly wouldn't buy a used boat without one
If you Part 1 register a boat, the original builders certificate is normally kept by the registrar. It is an important document that should be kept safe. I certainly wouldn't buy a used boat without one
mainshiptom
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Ok , Thanks Mike, I have a copy and working on getting the original..
Tom
Tom
E/M/S
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The Builder's Certificate (BC) is so to say the birth certificate of every boat. This document is issued only once by the shipyard in the original. Should this document ever be lost, in most cases only the first owner or the former contracting authority can apply for a certified copy of the originally issued original.
The Builder's Certificate indicates manufacturer, shipyard and the principal each with their full address. Furthermore, the details of vessel are given, such as hull number, name of vessel (typ or model), length, width, depth and engine(s) typ and number (if built-in engine(s)).
Many shipping registers require therefore the presentation of this document in the original. Without the original document, registration in these ship registers is not possible. Therefore, this results in a limited number of potential buyers for those who want to sell their boat without submitting the Builder's Certificates.
There are also additional risks. As banks often require this document when providing a loan as collateral, the risk that a boat is still in financing increases. Therefore, caution should always be exercised when a boat is offered for sale by someone who cannot provide the original BC. In such a case you should always contact the shipyard. Extreme caution is required if the seller can only provide one copy of the Builder's Certificates. This is undoubtedly a sign that the original was issued at the time. So the question remains, where the original is and who secures it. Dormant ship-believers might later register their rights at the boat.
Therefore pay attention to all important boat papers.
Good services are obtained when buying used boats with the Boat's Paper Check. See more information here.
The Builder's Certificate indicates manufacturer, shipyard and the principal each with their full address. Furthermore, the details of vessel are given, such as hull number, name of vessel (typ or model), length, width, depth and engine(s) typ and number (if built-in engine(s)).
Many shipping registers require therefore the presentation of this document in the original. Without the original document, registration in these ship registers is not possible. Therefore, this results in a limited number of potential buyers for those who want to sell their boat without submitting the Builder's Certificates.
There are also additional risks. As banks often require this document when providing a loan as collateral, the risk that a boat is still in financing increases. Therefore, caution should always be exercised when a boat is offered for sale by someone who cannot provide the original BC. In such a case you should always contact the shipyard. Extreme caution is required if the seller can only provide one copy of the Builder's Certificates. This is undoubtedly a sign that the original was issued at the time. So the question remains, where the original is and who secures it. Dormant ship-believers might later register their rights at the boat.
Therefore pay attention to all important boat papers.
Good services are obtained when buying used boats with the Boat's Paper Check. See more information here.
jfm
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Is this forum zombie haunted? 
petem
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Ten years later I'd like to point out that they list the propeller size!
petem
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Is this forum zombie haunted?
Only with spam!
MapisM
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Call me cynic, but a newly registered member whose first post is meant to highlight a website selling thread-related services sounds a tad biased...
Though I must say that the username choice is rather transparent, in this respect.
Anyway, welcome to E/M/S. Any expert contribution is always appreciated, here in the asylum!
Though I must say that the username choice is rather transparent, in this respect.
Anyway, welcome to E/M/S. Any expert contribution is always appreciated, here in the asylum!
MapisM
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Just for the records, this statement assumes that the BC exists, which ain't always true.
The builder of my current boat never issued any BC, for instance.
Otoh, all the previously mentioned details (and then some) are included in the DoC, or in its attachments.
