cherod
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MOD,, do your stuff
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dom
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What, and close out all the other products people have been using; but with a different and to some more attractive benefit/outcome matrix?
Really?
cherod
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they have had 42 posts and two days to do so ,, so yes ,, MODs , where are you when you are needed ?
Daydream believer
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Just because Refueler & I have a difference of opinion is no reason to close a thread.
& there are those that still want to hear what others have to say about the products available. So why close the thread?
dom
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Threads on here evolve for the general interest. If you have got out of it what you want, then why not let others discuss what’s on their mind?
And why try to raise the heat by crying plaintively to the mods?
It‘s only fuel additives we‘re talking about here, not the last helicopter out of Saigon ?
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cherod
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" crying " ... ???? 
( tbh ,, yes i did get out of it what i wanted and did not want to leave a platform for some people to fight about who knows the most ,,, but cary on if you wish )
( tbh ,, yes i did get out of it what i wanted and did not want to leave a platform for some people to fight about who knows the most ,,, but cary on if you wish )
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Refueler
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" crying " ... ????
I see from your ID that it says joined late 2018 .... surely by now you have realised that large Forums such as this often descend into the mire and arguments start. Its part of the life of large Forums. Go onto smaller Forums and you rarely see such.
There's a large RC Model Forum that makes this Forum look like kindergarten at times ... but that does not excuse the rudeness ..
Just for the record : My 2008 stated at left is wrong. That is a result of YBW's mistake in deleting my previous after the infamous "Cliff" events ...... the content of his post was so vile as to cause a series of measures that resulted in revamping of the Forums. My participation in YBW Forums actually goes back to the very first days and have seen it evolve from the original real Practical Boat Owner concept - to todays ..... In each of the re-inarnations - it appears that more of that old Practical gets lost.
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dom
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Anyways, I use Fuel Set which according to its manufacturers is designed to disperse water thereby killing most bugs and then holding them in suspension form where they can be filtered/burnt-off. Far better than forming a gloop at the bottom of the tank.
I do however use super-clean MOD compliant, FAME-Free fuel , pre-treated with Soltron by Esso. The idea was to add a little biocide such as Marine 16 if necessary, but it never has.
All anecdotal of course, but Fuel Set seems to get good reviews.
The trouble is, coming from a scientific background the information provided by Fuel Set itself seems like sheer snake oil !!
Any thoughts??
I do however use super-clean MOD compliant, FAME-Free fuel , pre-treated with Soltron by Esso. The idea was to add a little biocide such as Marine 16 if necessary, but it never has.
All anecdotal of course, but Fuel Set seems to get good reviews.
The trouble is, coming from a scientific background the information provided by Fuel Set itself seems like sheer snake oil !!
Any thoughts??
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Refueler
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Interesting you say about Esso .... Back in early 2000's ... Soltron guy boasted that major Oil Co's used his product and also his advise .....
From my involvement in Additives before during and after Soltron - I would think that was a local matter - not universal.
The interesting bit is that Exxon (Esso) actually had their own Additive Production and in the early days when I was manager for one of the first Injection Operative Co's - LaRoute (CFPP .. Cloud ... H2S etc) Exxon was a near monopoly until likes of Baker Hughes appeared.
Refueler
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Was "Cliff" something like this:
He did appear to be a rather angry fellow.
Richard
Its a long way back now ... but I have a picture in my mind of a Brown Bear ? Maybe thinking of someone else's avatar
dom
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Interesting, it's Fawley; that's still Esso/Exxon I think? My background is physical sciences, so can I ask you a question as an oil insider:
Why is the additive businesses veiled behind this voodoo/snake oil cloak? And why isn't there more decent published info?
Or am I missing something?
Refueler
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Yes part of the ExxonMobil group.
When I first came to latvia in 1993. was Manager of Petrak - which had LaRoute as sub company. We looked after all Russian Crude that passed through ... ~ 16 million tonnes per annum. A lot of the ships were on repeat cargo runs to Fawley... to feed the crackers.
I remember one time on Red Funnel out of Soton with Russian Wife and my Mother - we were going over to Osborne House ... we passed the MT Ligovsky Prospekt discharging at Fawley ... that vessel we had loaded at Ventspils just prior to my trip to UK.
psahd
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Refueler, if I may, what would your recommendation be for a liveaboard that would be in smaller countries where the quality of the fuel could\would be dubious? I am talking about Indo, Madagascar, Seychelles and the Caribbean. I would have a portable filter between containers/dockside pumps and my tanks.
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david_bagshaw
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message removed by me , it didnt really add anything useful
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Refueler
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Recc'd ?? What in Additive ?
TBH - they are all similar in results and it comes down to what you can source on your travels. I would not recc'd one against another except that a General Enzyme based would probably be best considering the climatic conditions you will experience.
Obviously water content is a possibility ... warm climes, fuel cooling in tank etc. So a general watch on water in bottom of tank ...
There is one 'Snake Oil' additive that I do use about 2x a year .... and brand is not important .... Injector / System Cleaner. This is usually based on a solvent and I use not to clean injectors - that's a job that needs removal clean and then calibrate - but to assist in cleaning generally the system. Does it do good ? Who knows ?? My thoughts are it cannot do any harm.
Refueler
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The problem is that Additives covers a multitude of GOOD and BAD products. Go into an Auto Parts shop and look at the variety on the shelf ..
Remember the days of the product you could pour into your oil and then run car for a million miles ? They even claimed a car had completed xxxxxxx miles on track with NO OIL in it ...
The Additives as shown in the PBO test are tried and verified to do the job advertised. There are others - but then we are moving into industrial arena and volumes... and generally not available to public.
OK lets move on to the reluctance to publish more info ? The fuel that exits the Pump handle - why would any Company then advertise additives used in it ? This is not same as XXXX claiming the Mileage ingredient ... what we are discussing is a product specification corrector, not enhancer.
If I told you that Brand XX Lubricating Oil was only meeting specs by adding Visco correctors etc. - you would not buy it.
Diesel as you buy out of Pump Handle usually has a number of correctors in it, regardless of brand .. so why advertise the fact. daft Public runs away with idea that Brand XX is crap and Brand XX is better - despite the fact they likely came from same storage tanks.
Daydream believer
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Interesting comment there. One of my employees ( yes, ages ago as I sold up in 2000) had worked as a tanker driver. He used to deliver for a few companies. He would go to the main storage tank at Shell Haven & fill up regardless of which fuel he was delivering for. He would then move to another set of tanks & these were supplier dependant & add the additives of that particular supplier. So at that time there was a difference. I did a very careful milleage check with one of my Bedford vans & compared Esso & a brand from another garage ( forget which one) we had accounts from both garages. It soon became clear that the Esso was delivering 2-3 miles per gallon to the other . So there is/was a difference. But the price changes cocked up a decision as to which one to change to.
Then one garage offered 4 xGreen shield stamps, so we went with them . My mother had hundreds of the dammned books as my fleet was buying lots of gals per month. She bagged the stamps
She nicked my secretary for a morning a month licking & sticking with a special roller for damping the stamps
Refueler
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Green Shield Stamps .... blimey - memories !! I remember the GS Stamp shops !
Yes - some deliverys will have had additives added as the trucks load ... but over the years - that has reduced - till now its rare. The economics of Fuel today basically do not cover such anymore.
I can remember at Stanlow - Shell Lab guys dosing ships tanks with Mileage Additive ... but they used to smile when they said what it was ...
You may remember a few years back where an operator put wrong additive into Gasoline at West Thurrock Storage. That gasoline then went out to Petrol Stations and then the claims started .... if you remember it - you will also know that it was not just one Oil Co. that was sued ... it hit most of the Brands - including Supermarket fuel (which actually is branded gasoline supplied by contract - tender is regularly fought by them all).
Yes - some deliverys will have had additives added as the trucks load ... but over the years - that has reduced - till now its rare. The economics of Fuel today basically do not cover such anymore.
I can remember at Stanlow - Shell Lab guys dosing ships tanks with Mileage Additive ... but they used to smile when they said what it was ...
You may remember a few years back where an operator put wrong additive into Gasoline at West Thurrock Storage. That gasoline then went out to Petrol Stations and then the claims started .... if you remember it - you will also know that it was not just one Oil Co. that was sued ... it hit most of the Brands - including Supermarket fuel (which actually is branded gasoline supplied by contract - tender is regularly fought by them all).