Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[vas]

I smile every day now when i get home the 10hrs of painting it 9 Plus more to come ) was well worth it

Thanks, I just get fed up easy sat doing nothing. All in my spare time thats why its took four years THIS WEEK AArrrrr that long lol. Launch still in six weeks

Well thanks all for the replies, good to see folk are still interested.

Captain Faffer

v.well done captain F.!

based on the date the forum thread was started you're still less than 4yrs.
BTW, MiToS was on the hard for just under 4 yrs as well, and now 4 yrs later is almost ready (I wish ) hope your's doesn't run that late...

well done and you should get some decent pics/video when in the water!

cheers

V.

 

[longjohnsilver]

Scepticism is a bit polite - I thought he was a nutter.

He has since done some very nice work on my boat!

He is a nutter:encouragement: anyone taking on a project like that has to be mad.

But what he’s achieved is amazing, as someone has already said, he must have the patience of a saint. And the skills of a master craftsman.

 

[waynes world]

v.well done captain F.!

based on the date the forum thread was started you're still less than 4yrs.
BTW, MiToS was on the hard for just under 4 yrs as well, and now 4 yrs later is almost ready (I wish ) hope your's doesn't run that late...

well done and you should get some decent pics/video when in the water!

cheers

V.

Hi V.

I am going to see if somebody can do a collage of good pics i have nd do a video of the launch for my memories and what not to buy next time lol.

And i am wrong myself, just checked on my old pics etc and i actually got it delivered on the 30th May 2015. I started this thread a bit after i got it.

Thanks V and one thing i MUST do is catch up on the MiToS blog, i have no time do much so once i have time to chill out on the boat it will be good reading for them chilled out nights with a bottle Hey you mite be finished by then.... a few months

He is a nutter:encouragement: anyone taking on a project like that has to be mad.
!
But what he’s achieved is amazing, as someone has already said, he must have the patience of a saint. And the skills of a master craftsman.

If i end up with what i havea love for but not the money then you will 100% think i am off my rocker I am trying to not get a wooden boat lol. Found some amazing boats recently. But when a plank of wood is around £70

 

[waynes world]

Well the gas leak aside i decided to chill out and fit the hatch i made a year or so ago from the half and locking handles from a Houdini 500 a sit just would not seal and i didnt want to go spending near £300 on an new one. This cost about £25 i think so i like that

Made new hinge knuckles

Neoprene seal between plate and Polycarbonate .

All fitted and water tight, with hose pipe test.

I did try and form some ally channel to finish of the window edge but it kept on kinking. I may do something at a later

 

[waynes world]

In between sanding and filling the hull for a break i made this as i forgot all about needing one.

Nice little project taken just a few hours to make.

A bit of perpsex for the laying up on for the cavitation extension.

Then lay up with 650grm combo.

A quick trim back.

Make the rudder, only a few laminations though as then it will be filleted in place before and laminated over to thickness required.

Then tidy up a little.

I have decided to taper the lower leading corner a little incase it hits an obstacle.

Mite even smooth it over yet.

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If i do get to sea i mite make a Delta fin for it, well the other bigger engine i will need.


Captain Faffer

 

[Kawasaki]

why have you made that?
Sorry, can't get my head around it!
I just think it will disturbed the propulsion and the prop wash
'Signed'
kawasaki
Confused

 

[MrB]

why have you made that?
Sorry, can't get my head around it!
I just think it will disturbed the propulsion and the prop wash
'Signed'
kawasaki
Confused

Ditto??

 

[waynes world]

why have you made that?
Sorry, can't get my head around it!
I just think it will disturbed the propulsion and the prop wash
'Signed'
kawasaki
Confused

Ditto??

Morning chaps.

The Outboard Rudder is for help in giving direction when the outboard is at very low revs or non at all, When an outboard is so low on revs or not at all you loose direction but with this gadget you still have it. Does just what a rudder is designed for..

I cant see many needing it on the Sea or some rivers but canals its a godsend.

Captain Faffer

 

[sarabande]

I too have slight reservations about the length of that additional rudder.

You have mounted the o/b perfectly at the correct height, and I'd expect the prop to need 'clear water' so that you can use the side thrust effect of the prop in sharp bursts to turn the boat.

The length of the additional rudder (beautifully made as we know is everything you do) looks as if it will direct the water more along the line of the hull, rather than the sideways thrust you need for close quarter work. It also seem to be a rather vulnerable protrusion when you are reversing up to another boat or the bank.

Also, that prop... What boat did the engine come from ? The pitch of the prop looks more for a planing speedy boat than for a displacement vessel, especially one with the extra weight of all the fine work you have added.

I can understand the need for a flat plate above the prop to control the prop wash, but the long rudder looks as if it might stall the water flow at low speeds, especially in astern.

 

[waynes world]

Hi Saraband

Its much the same as this one that can be bought as in pic below.. I agree it is a bit longer by about 40mm. I still have some trimming to do. The leading edge kower corner to taper. Fine up the leading and rear edge. I have used similar in the past are are a god send on canals for low speeds we do. These were msde from aluminium about 6mm thick and just bars holding then inplace.

Mm cant post pic from phone.

And well its trial and error maybe. If it fails just unbolt it or modify it more.

 

[Kawasaki]

Morning chaps.

The Outboard Rudder is for help in giving direction when the outboard is at very low revs or non at all, When an outboard is so low on revs or not at all you loose direction but with this gadget you still have it. Does just what a rudder is designed for..

I cant see many needing it on the Sea or some rivers but canals its a godsend.

Captain Faffer

Sorry Wayne but your 'rudder' theory is wromg
Sarabande has pointed out and spotted a good point/points ref steering etc
A 'pure' canal boat your vessel is not
Therefore the 'steering' will differ from said 'Canal Boats'
Yes, I understand where you are coming from
Ref 'rudder' effect etc
Again Sarah has pointed out ref the size and pitch of the 'Prop' pictured
When you launch, hopefully soon
After all the good and talented work you have invested in this amazing project
You will need to suss out if the prop you have will do 'justice' to Plant Pot'
A Canal type vessel has a 'fixed' prop and the rudder is well aft
The direction you place the prop on an outboard prior to 'hitting' the throttle or applying power is how your kinda boat is steered
The set up you have brilliantly designed and made will 'cock the job up' believe Me
I can't hang a picture straight or do anything like you have achieved in your amazing restoration
I can fettle engines (outboards motorbikes and lawn mowers etc) plus I know boat handling
From 10ft to 100 ft, its what I do
Launch without that addition
Try the boat out first
With just the engine as it is
Then you might have to alter the diameter and pitch of the Prop
I may be wrong but I seriously doubt it
Ref the Mod you have made
Bin it before launch Please
It is really a clever thought out system but it Wont Work!
As you know I am not that far from you
When you launch Her
I coud be there
If not on the day pretty soon afterwards
At 100 quid an hour people are queing up for me
:encouragement:
Seriously
Fer a packet of fags I will help you ref handling Plant Pot
If you are correct with the system you have designed and I am not
You can bash me over the head with it
Can't say fairer than that
So there!

 

[Elessar]

That’s a generous offer you can’t refuse Wayne!

 

[BruceK]

That’s a generous offer you can’t refuse Wayne!

Indeed. I'd pay £100 quid an hour to bash Kwackers head with that contraption all day long. Can I tag along?

 

[jfm]

Must say I'm fully in support of Wayne's rudder idea, for slow canal style boating. :encouragement:

 

[BruceK]

I'm not so sure. I think that looks like a recipe for the flutter effect

 

[Croftie]

Well at least the Patent has expired
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2956533

and it cost him less than
https://www.jonesboatchandlery.co.uk/adda-rudder-steering-extension

 

[BruceK]

A bit of googling and the consensus is very positive. Make sure you have quick release bolts on it Wayne. Dont give Kwackers a chance to talk his way out of it. :encouragement:

 

[sarabande]

I can see virtue in having a shrouded (ducted) propellor so that - particularly at low engine speeds - the thrust is vectored. A similar effect could be achieved by reducing the chord of Wayne's GRP rudder extension and perhaps having shorter extensions to P and St of the prop. That would also provide some impact protection.

One possible problem with the long rudder might be in going astern, with the trailing edge becoming the leading edge, and forcing an increase in the angle of attack and stalling water flow over the prop.

It's going to intriguing to see how it works in practice. bring a saw to the launch !

 

[waynes world]

Sorry Wayne but your 'rudder' theory is wromg
Sarabande has pointed out and spotted a good point/points ref steering etc
A 'pure' canal boat your vessel is not
Therefore the 'steering' will differ from said 'Canal Boats'
Yes, I understand where you are coming from
Ref 'rudder' effect etc
Again Sarah has pointed out ref the size and pitch of the 'Prop' pictured
When you launch, hopefully soon
After all the good and talented work you have invested in this amazing project
You will need to suss out if the prop you have will do 'justice' to Plant Pot'
A Canal type vessel has a 'fixed' prop and the rudder is well aft
The direction you place the prop on an outboard prior to 'hitting' the throttle or applying power is how your kinda boat is steered
The set up you have brilliantly designed and made will 'cock the job up' believe Me
I can't hang a picture straight or do anything like you have achieved in your amazing restoration
I can fettle engines (outboards motorbikes and lawn mowers etc) plus I know boat handling
From 10ft to 100 ft, its what I do
Launch without that addition
Try the boat out first
With just the engine as it is
Then you might have to alter the diameter and pitch of the Prop
I may be wrong but I seriously doubt it
Ref the Mod you have made
Bin it before launch Please
It is really a clever thought out system but it Wont Work!
As you know I am not that far from you
When you launch Her
I coud be there
If not on the day pretty soon afterwards
At 100 quid an hour people are queing up for me
:encouragement:
Seriously
Fer a packet of fags I will help you ref handling Plant Pot
If you are correct with the system you have designed and I am not
You can bash me over the head with it
Can't say fairer than that
So there!

I am sure i replied to your PM saying to get up here some time. I do have trouble sat times with PM`s on here.

Ill PM you again kida

Bring your hard hat

These rudders have worked great on two of my boats, BIG difference indeed. This a tads bigger though as i have left it a bit bigger, about 40mm longer than the others i have seen in shops for sale. to see what happens, it is easy enough to fettle you see.

That’s a generous offer you can’t refuse Wayne!

It is isnt it. He just want to cruise and tame the beast

Indeed. I'd pay £100 quid an hour to bash Kwackers head with that contraption all day long. Can I tag along?

Your more than welcome to join the bashing Do i get the £100ph ?

Must say I'm fully in support of Wayne's rudder idea, for slow canal style boating. :encouragement:

Great minds then hey John. I know i faff a lot but all good reason too, I dont have time to waste, busy busy for the next few weeks.

A bit of googling and the consensus is very positive. Make sure you have quick release bolts on it Wayne. Dont give Kwackers a chance to talk his way out of it. :encouragement:

Say no more ( Or will i be eating my Cpt Faffer hat ??)

I can see virtue in having a shrouded (ducted) propellor so that - particularly at low engine speeds - the thrust is vectored. A similar effect could be achieved by reducing the chord of Wayne's GRP rudder extension and perhaps having shorter extensions to P and St of the prop. That would also provide some impact protection.

One possible problem with the long rudder might be in going astern, with the trailing edge becoming the leading edge, and forcing an increase in the angle of attack and stalling water flow over the prop.

It's going to intriguing to see how it works in practice. bring a saw to the launch !

As said this is a bit bigger than others and can be adjusted if need be. Folk and myself rave about them on the canals, a bit does depend on the boat style. It is easy to remove so no big deal if it needs a fettle or removed for good. I can sell it as i have a few folk wanting me to make them one.




Oh yes, sorry i didnt mention the prop on the outboard. I think the engine was last used on a Maryland 20

I used it a month or so ago to move a Norman 23 and it was great, cruised it at around 3/4 throttle and got about 10knots.


Not a clue on props so any advice welcome but i will not be going above 8knots i should think.


Captain Faffer

 

[Kawasaki]

Hey Capn, check yer PM's whilst yer doin f all!