Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[sarabande]

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Wayne

have you come across the use of butyl tape as a non-setting sealant ?


http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/rebedding_hardware&page=2

That chap has lots of practical experience on his website, as well.




Can I query the use of a solar vent ? There are a lot of previous discussions on the forum, and the consensus is that they are only marginally useful. A dorade-type vent keeps the rainwater out and gives ventilation 24 hours a day.


Are you fussy about make of anchor ? I have a couple of CQR types going if you are not going to anchor on a lee shore in F7

 

[waynes world]

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I notice the last set of pics on page 10 now do not show, any ids whats happend to them folks?

Good stuff. I've definitely got some stuff on your list - I am away from my store room till the weekend so I'll get back to you after then. I think I have LED lights, some ss cleats and deck fittings, anchor - but let me have a rummage and check.

Excellent, much appreciated, and no rush at all.

Thanks

Oh and i got the title changed, Mike sorted it for me in no time.

Wayne

have you come across the use of butyl tape as a non-setting sealant ?


http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/rebedding_hardware&page=2

That chap has lots of practical experience on his website, as well.




Can I query the use of a solar vent ? There are a lot of previous discussions on the forum, and the consensus is that they are only marginally useful. A dorade-type vent keeps the rainwater out and gives ventilation 24 hours a day.


Are you fussy about make of anchor ? I have a couple of CQR types going if you are not going to anchor on a lee shore in F7

I have used Butyl tape in the past for fitting windows to another boat i was fixing up, never used it for deck fitting, i usually use Marine Sikaflex 291i, dam good stuff, expensive but great for all types of use. I will look through the website you gave, ha a quick look ear;ier and looks interesting.

On the Solar Vent, i have been thinking on getting one for the main reason of keep the boat air better when not in use and if good enough for a cool draft at night in summer time to cool it a bit. these boats get very warm and air con is a bit OTT on this boat lol. I will see what these Dorade vents are

I will be taking the boat by trailer to a few places so i will need a few different types of Anchors i think, all depends on where we are going, but we will not be gong anywhere in a F7 for sure, i have been told it is not that much of a sea boat, although on an original sales poster it was advertised as a sea boat aswell as river and canal. When we do go to sea it will very coastal sheltered waters.
Just looking into which type to go for at the minute, some are no good i have been told, cant remember which now.

 

[Otter]

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I have two solar vents, both with the batteries in so they work 24/24. Fantastic bits of kit, guaranteed air flow, and when there's a breeze I have passive vents as well.

 

[PCUK]

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I have two solar vents, both with the batteries in so they work 24/24. Fantastic bits of kit, guaranteed air flow, and when there's a breeze I have passive vents as well.

+1

 

[vas]

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This is amazing! Take a bow waynes world!. I've just stumbled into this thread for the first time and read it from the beginning and I'm astonished at such a fantastic project which is bringing new life to an old Buckingham. Tilly (!) is going to be a great new boat for its owners. I'll check in daily from now on.

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Great story. Loving it and keen to see next instalment. :encouragement:

+1000 on JFM and thanks for the kind words

I only noticed the thread yesterday when I saw the magic word "restoration" in the title, and tbh was confused on how I missed a thread throughout August!
Not very interested on plant pots, now I know

Very well done sir, good to see there are other lunatics around
Impressed with your grp skills and can do attitude.
More impressed with the end result, with you being very flexible in modifying what's available and coming up with solutions that look like they just came out of the factory.
TBH, I freaked out a bit with the timber frame for the coachroof windshield and glad you skipped it for a proper custom design.
Take good care of your wife, or next project you'll be alone, so take it easy, winter's coming after all and I'm sure she'll be ready for next season

Looking forward to the installments throughout the winter, and reminds me I have to get some updates on my rebuilt as well soon!

cheers

V

 

[waynes world]

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I have two solar vents, both with the batteries in so they work 24/24. Fantastic bits of kit, guaranteed air flow, and when there's a breeze I have passive vents as well.

That like what i have read here and there, reason i thought i will have one fitted, not sure which yet as just started looking, but one with a battery fitted then it can be used night and charge in the day time.

If anyone can suggest one for me, price dependent, i will get one if you give it a good review. Ah the boat already has a hole cut from the mushroom it had so there is another thing to look at.

Vas what can i say, i have been reading your thread also, not got far as not a great deal of time sorry to say, mite take a day of work to get through it That is one cracking boat you have, and coming on a treat, that would be a live aboard for me, perfic One good point, well that is to say the least as i would NOT be sanding that size boat down, you mite have read i now hate sanding etc with a passion, most drain on this project, but nar all done now thank goodness.
I dont know who is more barmy, you or me, but it is good isnt it more folk should try it, you get so much more from it when done and you see what you have accomplished. .
And i myself was so unimpressed with the wooden screen,and gutted as i had a picture in my head how it will look, i dontgo by plans, like you do with CAD drawings etc, much impressive Vas. I was going to redo it but at the cost of Sapele and knowing a GRP screen would easy blend in better i decided against a wooden one. And not a stop heavy in GRP , i was going to go with glass for the screen but for now i can gte good plastic, forgot the name but is the type used on roofs so UV safe etc etc, and stronger than perspex.


Dead line for launch is mid summer 2017, at the latest. So winter to fit out..........easy Oh darn and to build a trailer for it.

good luck with the rest of your Vas, i will catch up asap.





Well as member JFM suggested, if anybody has any items for sale i have a shopping list here which i will add to the end of the update post, i will change as i go and alter to what i have got or need as i remember or think of.

It will need an engine but that will not be needed for a while as no funds as yet for one.

GRP Paint, White top side and hull Dark Blue, not antifoul though please.
SS Bow bollard
Two SS cleats for the stern.
SS Bow roller
LED lights, Internal berth and down light and external for rear deck.
LED Heads light
Solar Vent
Galley sink
Head sink
Main Water pump
Bilge pumps
LPG Morco water heater or similar
SS Horn
Navigation lights
Anchor 8kg
Trailer rollers keel and sides

i am sure there is more



so if anybody has anything knocking about give me a shout please.

Wayne

 

[jfm]

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I dont know who is more barmy, you or me, but it is good isnt it more folk should try it,

Haha, yep, the rest of us are wondering that too! The boats are slightly different and you're in different counties but the "can do" attitude and proper quality approach with no bodging are a delight to watch in both cases

Wayne, as regards earlier post yes 20 inches from transom top to hull bottom surface is correct. You don't want it 20 inches to bottom edge of the small keel

I reckon I can mail you some ss cleats and deck fittings, and an anchor. I'll post a pic of the anchor before sending. As regards bilge pumps, are you 12 or 24v DC? I can definitely send some (new) LED lights, leftovers from my last boat build 3 years ago, and they work on 10-30volts DC. Are you going to do a 240v AC installation ( so you can plug into shore power) or not bother? You don't have to because you can use gas for cooking and kettle. Depends on your cruising plans.

 

[waynes world]

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Haha, yep, the rest of us are wondering that too! The boats are slightly different and you're in different counties but the "can do" attitude and proper quality approach with no bodging are a delight to watch in both cases

Wayne, as regards earlier post yes 20 inches from transom top to hull bottom surface is correct. You don't want it 20 inches to bottom edge of the small keel

I reckon I can mail you some ss cleats and deck fittings, and an anchor. I'll post a pic of the anchor before sending. As regards bilge pumps, are you 12 or 24v DC? I can definitely send some (new) LED lights, leftovers from my last boat build 3 years ago, and they work on 10-30volts DC. Are you going to do a 240v AC installation ( so you can plug into shore power) or not bother? You don't have to because you can use gas for cooking and kettle. Depends on your cruising plans.

Morning Jfm, i think my problem is the loopy juice i drink, well that my excuse lol.

I did get worried for a minute that the transom was wrong, so had to read up quick to see if i was wrong. Thank goodness not, i have enough to do, All good though , happy days

I will be runnng 12v all through on two or three 115amp + , no mains/shore will be fitted, just a genny for back up to recharge the batteries, i did plan on Solar, reason for the hardtop canopy a si could of got 250=300w up there, not worth the money though after much research. The longest session will be a couple of weeks here and there but mainly weekends 2-3 days.

My biggest concern will the use of the Propex 2000 LPG heater we have for it, will be running winter time a lot i bet, well insulated but we like it comfy I got the Propex heater and Voyager when we were flush and a small windfall, always wanted a Voyager 4500, love the look of them I couldnt go putting an old ceramic thing in here.

Yes send some pics if you can. i have fairleads but nothing else, really greatfull for the help

Ah well of to work now

 

[waynes world]

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Finished early today so i thought i would give the next update, a few bits done and just managed to get the new deck done, weather was very risky this weekend, and after work now i am to tired so to keep my sanity, what is left of it, i only do work on the boat at the weekends now, maybe a few bits during the week. But i get a bit stroppy with the need to get the boat done asap, and we all know that when your rushing and stressing it just makes things go wrong, there fore take longer.

New deck is 18mm Marine ply with a single 650grm combination matt, just to seal it a bit more than just resin.

Even with a straight head i managed to cut the matt to short, on by a few inch so i just patched it up with a few strips of more 650 combo matt.

This the gap i missed and the job in hand,

Nicely wet out but for the white strands, just would not wet out for some reason, no big deal though this,will make no effect on the water proof or strength in the deck.

I have been meaning to seal the front bulkhead and locker seats for months but keep forgetting while laminating. hey i remembered today

These will be laminated in place soon,

BIG JOB done here, or strong one i hope, dont ask why but it needs to be done some time so i drilled through for the recovery eye, nearly got it square, not big deal again as i will be drilling it out wider than the M12 thread so i can set a SS pipe in then with epoxy.

Hey its i the middle though inside i still need to decide when to laminate the batten yet. Ireckon it will be strong enough...plenty but its just me to over do things .

These are the spreader blocks for the bow rail, they are 150mm x 80 mm from 18mm Marine ply. Just a small job but very important.

These i am well chuffed with, the grab rails for the canopy. I gave them 3 coats of clear Danish oil. Also had a brain wave how to oil the bolt holes with ease and no waist.

I used one of the bolt thatwill be used, dipped it in the oil and twisted it up and down in the hole to oil it. small thing please small minds hey

I just love sapele

Cant wait to fit the rubbing strake.

Bring on the two week off work

In time for the next few days of good weather i got some proper paint,Jotun Pioner Top coat, 5l each of Ultramarine blue for the hull and Traffic White for eh top side.Oh and more Vinyguard primmer as i will give it all another coat.

I sooooooo cant wait to paint it will look a different boat.

 

[Bigplumbs]

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Excellent work as always. I don't like that recovery eye though why don't you just use D style eye like on most boats. Your one sticks out like a sore thumb

Dennis

 

[RobWales]

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+1 for a D style, that lifting eye just looks wrong....
Great thread though and keep up the great work.

 

[waynes world]

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Excellent work as always. I don't like that recovery eye though why don't you just use D style eye like on most boats. Your one sticks out like a sore thumb

Dennis

Only reason i can think of is that i cant drill two hole parallel.
Just kidding, but the last one i did was so deep in the bow it was a pain to keep both hole parallel. It doesnt stick out more than a U bolt, i know what you mean though.

 

[waynes world]

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Ok D style it is, i will order one asap, I will get a M10 so then i can drill out to 16mm and resin in a SS tube of 14mm OD and 2mm wall.

Now then this arrived the other day, as soon as it was opened i wanted to go paint the boat, good job it was raining other wise i would of. I got the Jotun Pioner top coat, and more primer, reason is that it is good for being applied at low as 5deg and can be over painted easy without any prep done, just a wash down. The entire hull will be blue with no antifoul.....yet. if i need to then i will when/if the time arrives.

I have started to get bits together for the trailer and i won these on ebay, going to pick them up this weekend, just need 10-12 dumbell keel rollers now,

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After work today, as i finish early now , i cut off the leaf springs from the axles, reason is they are a bit OTT as they have a payload of 5000kg, Got a price of £460 to replace with new or £200 to reduce the leaf by two, well if i was to go that way i would do that myself as i have done that before on cars, so not difficult aslong as you get the correct pins and clamps.

Back on ebay, i found these brand new packs and a fraction of the previous leaf packs above.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151884013637?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I am sure the boat will not weigh more than 1750kg, a dry weight on a spec sheet i was sent by a chap say they are 1100kg, so with engine and all other fitting and the extra weight in ply and resin etc i can not se eit weighing in at 2500kg, just what a few folk have said.

All that said, once fitting out is nearer complete i will weigh it on the drive, i just need a set of bathroom scales and my mathematics polishing up.

 

[sarabande]

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just as soon as you have finished the Restoration of The Year, can you drop down to Exmoor and finish off one of my little boats please ?



I hope you are getting as much fun out doing the work and making progress as we are reading about it.


BTW - have you got it insured yet ?

 

[waynes world]

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Ah more projects to look forward to, Exmoor though ? by eck you couldnt get much further away
What have you got then ?

Fun...at times yes at times not, i call it my sanity at times, then at times it sends me insane with stress.......but i love it When i see progress it makes up for the hold ups and things that dont go plan........hang on i dont have plans lol

Not even though about insurance yet, i used to use Basic boat ins, you think i should insure it now?

 

[waynes world]

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UPDATED SHOPPING LIST

I have a shopping list here, if anybody reading this has anything they need rid of please PM me details

SS Bow bollard
Two SS cleats for the stern.
SS Bow roller
LED lights, Internal berth and down light and external for rear deck.
LED Heads light
Solar Vent
Galley sink
Head sink
Main Water pump
Bilge pumps
LPG Morco water heater or similar
SS Horn
Navigation lights
Anchor/s 8kg
Trailer rollers for keel ( 19-20mm pin )
Cabin table pedestal
Helm pedestal


i am sure there is more



so if anybody has anything knocking about give me a shout please.

Wayne

 

[Bigplumbs]

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Wayne

Would it not work out cheaper to by a complete second hand trailer from ebay I see them for about £800 at times

Dead you decided to go D on the bow but 10 mm is very thick most of mine are 8 mm

Dennis

 

[sarabande]

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re Insurance (yes, a capital I) cos it's important to cover it even when she is on your drive. Just think of the hundreds of hours of detailed work you have put in, and any number of scenarios which could go wrong.


Most insurance companies will do a low rate while the boat is under maintenance and ashore, and they will love your gallery of pics to show the standard of work, and hence the real value (as opposed to book value).

They also like boating qualifications and experience, and I can't remember what you have done up to now. One of the night school winter courses for a RYA chitty is great fun and puts you in touch with lots of other boating people.

Have a chat with

Emma Conning
Assistant Yacht Underwriter
Email: emma.conningATgjwltdDOTcoDOTuk
Tel: Zero One 51 473 8020

https://gjwdirect.co.uk/

Mention you are recommended by YBW forum, and you might be surprised how little you can get away with especially till you float the boat.

(Other insurers are available )


As for internal LED lights, Aldi and Lidl have them regularly on special offer in both 240v stepped down to 12v, and plain AA battery models. They come in various "warmths" of colour temperature, so you can pick and choose what suits best. The stick-on battery ones are really good - no wiring hassles, evidently - and come with three year warranties. What's not to like ?

Security; this has not been mentioned so far. Having your boat broken into and trashed or kit nicked is a traumatic event. If you design in re-inforced frames/bars at this stage , they will be easier than retro-fitting two weeks before you launch . Again, insurance loves alarms and detectors as well.


All this is boring admin stuff rather than the practical fettling at which you excel, but needs to be considered.

 

[waynes world]

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Wayne

Would it not work out cheaper to by a complete second hand trailer from ebay I see them for about £800 at times

Dead you decided to go D on the bow but 10 mm is very thick most of mine are 8 mm

Dennis

Hi Bigplumbs, before i decided to build my own i did have a look around, always am come to think of it, the only ones i think will do the job are well over £1k, closer to £1.5 infact. It is the weight, these boat from factory are around 1100kg some say 1200kg, that is dry, so with the added weight from my additions, i am reckoning on 50kg for the outboard engine say a 30hp, beefier transom and rear deck a good 70kg, the cabin deck 40kg, screen and canopy 20kg. so say 200kg in all tnat, minus the other extras like the oven, inner fittings etc etc. One good bit it will need less ballast as i believe these boats needed a fair bit to sit well.

All it will cost is around ££350 to build it, thats new suspension to just over 3200kg and new steel. And i dont mind building one, part of the fun

Oh the D, i like to make sure lol. i know what you mean though, i had a 26 Creighton with a 6mm D and it dragged fine. along a field off a trailer aswell lol. I am over cautious at times, not a bad thing most times.

re Insurance (yes, a capital I) cos it's important to cover it even when she is on your drive. Just think of the hundreds of hours of detailed work you have put in, and any number of scenarios which could go wrong.


Most insurance companies will do a low rate while the boat is under maintenance and ashore, and they will love your gallery of pics to show the standard of work, and hence the real value (as opposed to book value).

They also like boating qualifications and experience, and I can't remember what you have done up to now. One of the night school winter courses for a RYA chitty is great fun and puts you in touch with lots of other boating people.

Have a chat with

Emma Conning
Assistant Yacht Underwriter
Email: emma.conningATgjwltdDOTcoDOTuk
Tel: Zero One 51 473 8020

https://gjwdirect.co.uk/

Mention you are recommended by YBW forum, and you might be surprised how little you can get away with especially till you float the boat.

(Other insurers are available )


As for internal LED lights, Aldi and Lidl have them regularly on special offer in both 240v stepped down to 12v, and plain AA battery models. They come in various "warmths" of colour temperature, so you can pick and choose what suits best. The stick-on battery ones are really good - no wiring hassles, evidently - and come with three year warranties. What's not to like ?

Security; this has not been mentioned so far. Having your boat broken into and trashed or kit nicked is a traumatic event. If you design in re-inforced frames/bars at this stage , they will be easier than retro-fitting two weeks before you launch . Again, insurance loves alarms and detectors as well.


All this is boring admin stuff rather than the practical fettling at which you excel, but needs to be considered.

You know Sarabande, i never thought of it that way, i have never insured a boat until it was useable. I will look into ti, i remember last time it was only £85 so no big deal on what i have aid out already on it. I keep saying i want to go on a course or two as i have done so yet, but a si want to go to sea i it, i really need to well before launch time, saying that i would like for them to train me on my own boat, i have heard some places will do that....?

LED lights, well there is a can of worms here, i spend hours picking what to buy for it, takes me so long to buy items. LED is the asthetics first, how they are fitted and then power consumption. It spent an hour choosing a chuck key for the pillar drill earlier this week. you know the saying, i use it a lot, ` worse than a woman in a shoe shop` takes hours and hours and then go back to the first choice lol.

Security is a big issue yes, a tricky one, i have seen boats that have been broken into and things stolen from the inside, no big damage to the boat as they got in easy, but then there are the boats that had good strong security and so much damage was caused trying to get it can double to cost of repairs/replacement
When left moored i will be removed all valuables down to the electronics. not saying i will not think on it more, and as you say sooner the better to have it fitted/designed.

 

[LadyJ]

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This is a truly fantastic project. I've just come across it and look forward to the launch. Re the items needed I'll have a dig around and see what comes up.