Bring Back Small 2-strokes capaign!
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NUTMEG
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Always wondered...
...what happens to the odd pint of engine oil 'poured on the gravel in the corner of the boatyard'?
Seriously, I suspect that there are microbes and other creepy crawly organisms that eat the stuff. The BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico, although touted as an environmental disaster, which I am sure it was, seems to have left little long term pollution. I remember seeing on telly that micro organisms were responsible for digesting much of the spilled oil.
So, does anyone know what 'really' happens to oil in the soil?
Just curious.
I have a 2.3 Honda and a 4hp Yammy, as well as the 1GM10 and I am sure that in the course of a year, the old Yanmar pollutes air and water to a greater extent then the O/B's. Still miss my Seagulls though.
Steve
...what happens to the odd pint of engine oil 'poured on the gravel in the corner of the boatyard'?
Seriously, I suspect that there are microbes and other creepy crawly organisms that eat the stuff. The BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico, although touted as an environmental disaster, which I am sure it was, seems to have left little long term pollution. I remember seeing on telly that micro organisms were responsible for digesting much of the spilled oil.
So, does anyone know what 'really' happens to oil in the soil?
Just curious.
I have a 2.3 Honda and a 4hp Yammy, as well as the 1GM10 and I am sure that in the course of a year, the old Yanmar pollutes air and water to a greater extent then the O/B's. Still miss my Seagulls though.
Steve
Avocet
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Expediency, I think. If you had a "dry" exhaust (like a moped), it would be a hell of a lot noisier and hotter. You could silence it pretty adequately (albeit with a larger volume of silencer required), but you'd still have to then insulate it from the rest of the boat structure. Clearly you wouldn't be able to use rubber exhaust tubing, it would have to be metallic. If mild steel, it would corrode pretty quickly. If stainless, it would create nasty corrosion problems for any ferrous stuff in electrical contact with it (like the engine). Once you abandoned rubber as an exhaust material, you'd be into complex mountings to prevent noise and vibration from being transmitted to the rest of the boat's structure, whilst still withstanding the heat.
AND you'd still have to get rid of the cooling water anyway!
Bobobolinsky
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Think like Ghandi. Buy illegal two strokes and use commecial antifoul.
If Ghandi could free India think what civil disobedience could do in Europe.
If Ghandi could free India think what civil disobedience could do in Europe.
charles_reed
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In fact the 2-strokes aren't illegal in themselves - for any supplier in the EU to sell them is.
There are, in fact, plenty of "grey" imports (of Tohatsus) available in the less repressed parts of the EC, than the UK.
Bobobolinsky
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TSB240
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I am a firm follower of the 2 stroke fan club. More power less weight and more compact than 4 strokes. I dont go with the 4 stroke reliability angle. Less to go wrong no valves to decoke. no valve seals and guides to wear. I bet you wouldnt easily restart a dunked 4 stroke. The biggest missing link in the 4 stroke family is the small smooth balanced twin cylinder at 6 to 8 hp. Instead you get a thumping single that sets reverberations through the hull. Honda gave up on their twin as it was too easy to uprate!
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Topcat47
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Do we stroker fans need to get 38 Degrees involved? If they can get MacDonalds to pay their taxes, perhaps they could get this legislation dropped.....
Fire99
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Hmm that could go either way. Either a campaign to drop the legislation or us 2-stroke fans will be 'campaigned' away to far away shores.
Laurie
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But what about all the polluting oil they put into the water?
BTW the small Hondas are noisy because they are air cooled not because they are 4 strokes
I had ( well still have) an air cooled 2 stroke Volvo Penta outboard. It is noisier than the small Hondas, nearly as noisy as a Seagull!
What about the extra pollution and resource usage used in the manufacture or 4 stroke engines?
Interestingly there is some development & thought to resurrect the 2 stroke in light of development, including stepped piston scavenging systems, similar to that developed by Hooper & Favill for the Norton Wulf motorcycle engine project way back......
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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What ?? Seagulls?? you mean the work of the devil
I have an old Honda 2 hp four stroke, which is very light, economical and works very well, a Mercury(tohatsu) 3.5 hp four stroke which is brilliant and a Tohatsu 6 hp four stroke which is so reliable and so economical. I used to have a Seagull but I lost my temper one day some years ago and I chucked it overboard near the Wash.
Fire99
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What ?? Seagulls?? you mean the work of the devil
Now I'm a great fan of small 2-stroke outboards but Seagulls are merely something nice from history, to look at.
They're like saying the pinnacle of petrol engine development ended with the Model T Ford.!
A 21st Century Mariner / Tohatsu 2.5/3.3 2T is all anyone really needs on a small tender.
Seajet
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Captain Fantastic,
chucking an engine overboard is a bit OTT even for Basil Fawlty, but if you're judging modern 2 strokes by Seagull standards, no wonder you think 4 strokes are great !
I wonder how 'light' the engines you mention are compared to 2 strokes ?!
chucking an engine overboard is a bit OTT even for Basil Fawlty, but if you're judging modern 2 strokes by Seagull standards, no wonder you think 4 strokes are great !
I wonder how 'light' the engines you mention are compared to 2 strokes ?!
VicS
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Mine is what drives my dinghy out to the mooring and back. Its been doing that for about 35 years and I have every confidence that it will continue to do so for as long as I need it to.
Not merely something nice to look at all.
Niander
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is so reliable and so economical. I used to have a Seagull but I lost my temper one day some years ago and I chucked it overboard near the Wash.[/QUOTE]
foolishness!
[/QUOTE]foolishness!
charles_reed
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If you do intend to start a campaign it needs to be in Brussels/Strasbourg with the European Parliament as the legislation is the result of an EC directive.Hmm that could go either way. Either a campaign to drop the legislation or us 2-stroke fans will be 'campaigned' away to far away shores.
Fire99
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It was a slightly tongue in cheek comment, since I have no doubt there are many 'seagull' fans. That said, I wouldn't use them as the 'definitive 2-stroke small outboard' when comparing with current 4-strokes. They are a bit of a 'niché' market.
Fire99
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I have no doubt that Our European cousins are responsible for the ridiculous rule.
VicMallows
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Didn't it all start from 'saving' some lake in Switzerland? .... who choose not to involve themselves with the EU