Brexit

[scoty]

Correction, Scott pressed wrong button,
I wrote, we,UK grew very well without Europe, plus we protected them from a power hungry state a few years back.....

 

[scoty]

The out policy is very clear, WE trade with those countries the EU now say , we cannot

 

[scoty]

Those of you that see the EU from outside, should try living in a system without a say.
Most EU people admire UK democracy, they the EU people do not have ...nor a vote , just a local nationality vote, this is what the people's of UK will get under the federal EU system

 

[maxi77]

Correction, Scott pressed wrong button,
I wrote, we,UK grew very well without Europe, plus we protected them from a power hungry state a few years back.....

That was back in Victorian times, even by 1900 our industrial power was being eclipsed by the USA and Germany. Then we hit WW1 from which we never recovered. UK industry has suffered from a lack of investment and casino stockbroking where all that matters is a fast buck. If we are growing so well, where is our car industry, where is our steel industry, where is our shipbuilding. Yes we have some exiting new technology, but all to often it fails to really make the grade because we don't invest. A lot of our current industrial success comes from foreign companies that see our skills and engineering and invest in it because of our access to the single market, what will they do when that access is lost. Answers on a postcard

 

[RAI]

Before joining the common market, the UK was on a downward spiral ever since the glorious Victorian days. Two WW took their toll. After 40 years in Europe and the UK is looking fine. How do you know that the downward spiral will not return after Brexit?

 

[Ludd]

Before joining the common market, the UK was on a downward spiral ever since the glorious Victorian days. Two WW took their toll. After 40 years in Europe and the UK is looking fine. How do you know that the downward spiral will not return after Brexit?

My worry! I don't remember pre-EU Westminster governments being very good at running the country, so why should we believe they will suddenly improve post-EU exit?

 

[Ludd]

Before joining the common market, the UK was on a downward spiral ever since the glorious Victorian days. Two WW took their toll. After 40 years in Europe and the UK is looking fine. How do you know that the downward spiral will not return after Brexit?

My worry! I don't remember pre-EU Westminster governments being very good at running the country, so why should we believe they will suddenly improve post-EU exit?

 

[sailorman]

My worry! I don't remember pre-EU Westminster governments being very good at running the country, so why should we believe they will suddenly improve post-EU exit?

Im with your there Tom & / but we never voted for the transition from the EEC to the EU either.
This whole fiasco is a waste of British tax payers £s as nobody is aware of what is actually being voted for

 

[Heckler]

£65bn of investment has been pulled out of the UK in March & April because of the fear of a Brexit. Do you really think that is economically beneficial? Who do you think suffers when companies cut costs or cut back on investments???

Is that why the figures, just out, show we are continuing to boom?
Stu

 

[maxi77]

Is that why the figures, just out, show we are continuing to boom?
Stu

No the present boom is due to past investment, this will result is at best less of a boom in the future. One of the big reasons for inward investment is our access to the single market, without that other EU countries become more attractive and we lose out.

 

[macd]

Is that why the figures, just out, show we are continuing to boom?

If it was your intention to show your lack of comprehension, you've done so with aplomb. Economies aren't like lightbulbs: you don't flick a switch and see the result immediately.

 

[RAI]

The out policy is very clear, WE trade with those countries the EU now say , we cannot

Do you have a list of those countries with which we may not trade?

 

[RAI]

This whole fiasco is a waste of British tax payers £s as nobody is aware of what is actually being voted for

Oh! I think its clear. Brexiteers are voting for a warm fuzzy feeling called Sovereignty. Bremainers are voting to protect their standard of living from Brexiteers.

 

[GrahamM376]

Too many of the doom arguments from Remain come from people who weren't even born or of an age to have been a working adult before we joined the EC TRADING community so have no idea what it was like. We were not asked if we wanted to be ruled by non tax paying leeches who could overrule our national laws.

Anyway, we have been asked to vote whether we would like to leave or remain in the EC, but it doesn't follow that the politicians have to act to leave in any particular time scale, if ever. A leave vote, followed by other countries sitting on the fence could trigger a restructure allowing individual states more independence.

 

[njthake]

Too many of the doom arguments from Remain come from people who weren't even born or of an age to have been a working adult before we joined the EC TRADING community so have no idea what it was like. We were not asked if we wanted to be ruled by non tax paying leeches who could overrule our national laws.

Anyway, we have been asked to vote whether we would like to leave or remain in the EC, but it doesn't follow that the politicians have to act to leave in any particular time scale, if ever. A leave vote, followed by other countries sitting on the fence could trigger a restructure allowing individual states more independence.

Well said.
It would be an ideal opportunity for us to renegotiate a sensible deal with a bully who will not listen.

 

[jordanbasset]

Well said.
It would be an ideal opportunity for us to renegotiate a sensible deal with a bully who will not listen.

 

[Tony Cross]

Too many of the doom arguments from Remain come from people who weren't even born or of an age to have been a working adult before we joined the EC TRADING community so have no idea what it was like. We were not asked if we wanted to be ruled by non tax paying leeches who could overrule our national laws.

Anyway, we have been asked to vote whether we would like to leave or remain in the EC, but it doesn't follow that the politicians have to act to leave in any particular time scale, if ever. A leave vote, followed by other countries sitting on the fence could trigger a restructure allowing individual states more independence.

This is a good point, but the UK pre-1973 is very, very different from the UK of now. Not only that but the world of 1973 was very, very different from the world today. It's a fantasy to believe we could go back to the situation prior to 1973, much as we may wish to, that situation no longer exists.

Not only that, but the UK is always going to be just off the coast of Europe. It's not possible to tow it to the mid-Atlantic where you could live in splendid isolation. The world, global trade, and global services are much too intertwined for the UK to be able to 'stand alone'.

I dislike the EU, I dislike the undemocratic way it is run, I dislike it's corruption, I dislike that I was never asked to approve the UK's membership - but we're in too deep and the world has changed. The UK's best option is to remain a member and keep agitating for reform. Whilst my heart yearns for a Brexit my head knows that it would be an unmitigated disater.

 

[GrahamM376]

This is a good point, but the UK pre-1973 is very, very different from the UK of now. Not only that but the world of 1973 was very, very different from the world today. It's a fantasy to believe we could go back to the situation prior to 1973, much as we may wish to, that situation no longer exists.

I agree with you there but the EC isn't what it was either. A smallish group of like minded trading countries made sense but it's so large now it seems to defeat its original purpose and more resembles the United States of Europe. What on earth will happen if Turkey joins? Not a christian state so no doubt the Do Gooders/Human Rights/Tree Huggers etc will all want us all to incorporate Sharia law, no thanks.

No, we can never turn the clock back all the way but I hope for change. We owe a lot to the immigrants of the 1950s & 60s, they filled the vacancies we didn't have workers for but it has now gone too far and we need some control (not a ban) on who arrives and jumps the housing list.

 

[RAI]

I agree with you there but the EC isn't what it was either. A smallish group of like minded trading countries made sense but it's so large now it seems to defeat its original purpose and more resembles the United States of Europe.

Our democratically elected masters agreed with every step of the EU's evolution and I read the majority of our MPs are still in favour of remaining in the current EU. So much for our ability to elect the leaders we want, will that change after Brexit?

What on earth will happen if Turkey joins? Not a christian state so no doubt the Do Gooders/Human Rights/Tree Huggers etc will all want us all to incorporate Sharia law, no thanks.

Turkey's membership is a long way off, you will have read that too. However, Turkey's application is used for scaremongering.

 

[macd]

But nor is it a muslim state, although if Erdogan carries on as he's been going, it might become one. Only a handful of European countries have a state religion.