Lakesailor
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Perhaps the differing opinions expressed in the Colregs threads need and IMO but it is a fact that there are many different stances taken on those threads. That's why they bash on for so long with no conclusion.
Bravado and b/s on SB - dangerous or not?
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rotrax
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Bet he does not get one!
capnsensible
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webcraft
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prv
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Really? In what way? I can't say I feel under any pressure from anybody to do any courses. Although I'm toying with the idea of jumping straight to Coastal Theory as I suspect my trad nav skills are not all they could be.
Pete
toad_oftoadhall
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I think you lost some of the words from Webbies sentence during the cut and paste, I popped them back in in red for you!!!
AWOL and I have explained it in this thread. dt4134's explanation I've already linked to looks good to me.
Failing that Vic's explanation is pretty succinct: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267504
Or Sime's:
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2883937&postcount=6
It's simple and self evident, the 'five' (and others) are right, you and Webbie are wrong.
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mcframe
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Lifejackets are a matter of opinion - I wear mine when I think it might help. and when I need to set an example†.
Sheet the main?
Maybe - how high is the boom? How big is the potential thwack? Are you gybing a kite short-handed at the same time? Can you assess the risk and make your own decision? Who else are you responsible for? Am I your novice crew under the boom?
RYA training?
Much more a force for good than bad; better than any alternative, Darwin take the hindmost.
COLREGS are for the obedience of *all* men (whilst noting Rule 2) - even those that don't follow flag etiquette and use Spade anchors ;->
It's a big bad sea out there (Well it was earlier this week) - every herring should hang by it's own tail†† - maybe there should be an Eng Lit module in RYA courses.
† Possible poll for later: is it reasonable to intentionally capsize a dinghy (in safe waters) to teach a 5 year old that she should not stand up in a dinghy? (the mother - who didn't learn for herself, disagrees...)
†† With a lanyard to the EPIRB, natch.
mcframe
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Wha?
Half a week sailing cures *all* of any self-centred notions.
You *cannot* change the tide and get out of Bembridge or Ryde any earlier.
You *cannot* change the wind and avoid two days in Gosport.
The only message worth listening is that of Mother Nature "You're insignificant; live with it."
(Great downwind, downswell blatt Pompey-Chi today - Hawaii 50 theme on the MC1 - if the auto helm could have coped I'd have been hanging 10 on the foredeck ;-)
webcraft
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It is no such thing. If you look at the actual tide times for HW springs month by month over a year for a standard port you will find that they vary considerably. The times in the columns are an approximation of the Spring and Neap times, but only an approximation.
The time difference is a time difference and the height difference is a height difference. That is all you need to know to calculate the tide at secondary ports within an acceptable degree of accuracy. If you think you can do better then show us a formula using actual Spring HW times that is both comprehensible and more accurate.
Now, just so we are clear, are you still accusing me of telling deliberate lies for money? Or are you just accusing me of telling deliberate lies?
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Seajet
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rib,
I'd love to know how much experience you have to back that up; I didn't say always grab the mainsheet to hand across in a gybe, just when it suits; you are clearly unable to fathom that one out, probably best stick to mobo's, no risk of using your judgement there...
toad_oftoadhall
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Only you, and CaptainSensible seem to have got the wrong end of the stick about it. The rest of YBW seem to have a clear understanding. And they can express it in one clear sentence so it aint rocket science!
Maybe we "don't understand how to calculate the time of high and low water at a secondary port", but I think we do.
I don't think anyone's claiming it's a good approximation, merely that it's the approximation that Reeds have chosen to use.
I don't remember saying deliberate lies. If I said that, quote it. I'll defend or retract what I actually said, not what you say I said.
rib
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more than most,not as much as some,judgement hummmmmmmmm im a yachty bit off course there im afraid.going back to the thread you mention.some one haveing lessons about gybing needs to be taught the one way that works in all wind strengths (it was a mid/to big boat)and to be told before thay have had a lot of practise that thay can do it by hand is not clever imo. if you took the wording idiots personally at the time of that thread i meant general public sailing who see/ read something and cant see the the wrong/right of it.there is a time and place to try other methods to skin the cat but early stages is not one of them.think driving test and how one drives shortly after.i personally dont hand my main to gybe and wouldnt teach it either,but i also wouldnt tut tut it if on some one elses boat if thay werte aware of wind strengths and forces.some one coming up thru the ranks so to speak no dont agree.if it works for you fine no probs
toad_oftoadhall
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webcraft
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erm . . . you said
(post 69)
Anyway, forget it. You are obviously convinced that the RYA are a profiteering waste of space, that the cruising scheme is rubbish, that instructors are useless and just in it for the money and that you know better than the lot of them.
Not much point in arguing with that really. Bedtime.
- W
rib
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oh in case a mobo picks this thread up im a mobo as well.in fact im a water rat or vole nearly extinct
rib
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and a ribster
mcframe
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Outside of a YM theory exam, and unconcerned about 100mm here, but not there†, I'd be tempted to check what the primary port is, see what my phone app and plotter (see, two sources, 'tho probably related) say, and then make sure any error is on the safe side and that I and my crew know where deep water is to be found.
(No, I've never done the pathological example of crossing a bar, then going under an HT pylon line, but I'm sure I've worked it out - in theory, but I didn't have a calibrated barometer to hand to apply local corrections...)
†Rocks in Brittany and a 2.2M fin keel are notthesame as mud and 1M twin bilgers.
rib
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infact i live on the water,im bored,think ill put the old rag up tomorrow and sail some more of the west coast france
rib
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seajet.are you the guy that got arsey about other peeps taking good pic.s with digital cam ?
Seajet
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rib,
please enlighten me, I haven't got a clue what you're on about ?!
I'm a pro photographer ( amongst other things nowadays, used to be just photo ) sure, but I don't see where you're coming from; if you take photo's which you think are good, that's spiffing !
Please explain ?!