Bravado and b/s on SB - dangerous or not?

[toad_oftoadhall]

Anyway, forget it. You are obviously convinced that the RYA are a profiteering waste of space, that the cruising scheme is rubbish, that instructors are useless and just in it for the money and that you know better than the lot of them.

No.



I'm obviously convinced that this is true:

The times in the columns are an approximation of the Spring and Neap times

and I'm obviously convinced that this is false:

These are purely time differences - nothing to do with springs and neaps as people were suggesting".

and I'm obviously convinced that this is false:

Hmmmm . . . that appears to be five people at least who don't understand how to calculate the time of high and low water at a secondary port.

That's all.


Anyway, sorry for my lazy post that failed to address your post properly. (http://www.ybw.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3581724&postcount=19) I hope you're satisfied with the effort I've since put in at your request to address the issue of people misleading newbies on YBW!

Night all!

 

[rib]

was,nt there a thread about a spinniker(i know)pic to be used by a estate agent some time back,who offered to donate to a charity,that didnt go down well

 

[rib]

any way enough winding up good night sleep tight

 

[Nicholas123]

If you are talking abut 'zero to hero' and big schools like BOSS then yes, it is an industry providing industry-recognised professional qualifications.

No-one is forcing ordinary yachtsmen to do courses, and I am sure you would prefer it if the professionals were qualified. If you are irritated by the glossy ads for sailing schools then stop reading that section of the magazine!

- W

Never heard of BOSS & if only it were a case of just ignoring glossy ads but it's not.Most of the content of the yachting magazines seems to be ads & somebody trying to flog something.I get pissed off with the patronizing attitude to such an extent that I would'nt buy any of them.
Sailing used to be about individuality & freedom but I think that is increasingly in danger from those that just want to conform.
Great pity.

 

[rotrax]

Anyway, forget it. You are obviously convinced that the RYA are a profiteering waste of space, that the cruising scheme is rubbish, that instructors are useless and just in it for the money and that you know better than the lot of them.

Not much point in arguing with that really. Bedtime.

- W

Yup-thats 'ol Toady-he was going on and on for ages beating his "The RYA dont know how to do it" drum during the Hot Liquid saga. I asked him several times to suggest constructive improvements. I bet you can guess what happened..............

 

[webcraft]

Most of the content of the yachting magazines seems to be ads & somebody trying to flog something.I get pissed off with the patronizing attitude to such an extent that I would'nt buy any of them.

Agree 100%. I maybe buy one mag a year now if it has an article I am particularly interested in, but most of the content is rehashed and recyclced endlessly and as you say, 75% is advertisements.

I think that is more a reflection on the state of the magazione industry than on the state of sailing.

- W

 

[Nicholas123]

You are right-there is no substitute for experience but formal and informal training is an essential part of gaining this commodity.

I've had no formal training so can't agree it is essential.What you do need is practical common sense!

 

[rotrax]

Never heard of BOSS & if only it were a case of just ignoring glossy ads but it's not.Most of the content of the yachting magazines seems to be ads & somebody trying to flog something.I get pissed off with the patronizing attitude to such an extent that I would'nt buy any of them.
Sailing used to be about individuality & freedom but I think that is increasingly in danger from those that just want to conform.
Great pity.

Surely if you feel like that the answer is right in front of you. All published media is expensive. Publishers place the load on their management to sell advertising space. Apart from one or two very specialist small run magazines-Waterlog, a high quality subscription only angling mag is one-and scientific and academic journals, again subscription only to members of institutes and learned societies-most mags have to pay their way and sales are not usually enough to cook it. If the content offends you, dont buy them-or if you do, skip the ads.

 

[rotrax]

I've had no formal training so can't agree it is essential.What you do need is practical common sense!

But surely, unless you just jumped into a sail boat and learned as you went along you had some measure of informal training? Even if you did not, finding out as you went along is in a way informal-it was the way I learned to ride a speedway bike after all. I did say both formal AND informal training gave experience.

 

[prv]

I've had no formal training so can't agree it is essential.What you do need is practical common sense!

Agreed.

I did a Day Skipper practical course once, to help convince charter companies to let their boats to a gang of young lads. I think the RYA course system is pretty good. But it's certainly not essential (and to their credit, the RYA don't claim that it is).

Pete

 

[prv]

But surely, unless you just jumped into a sail boat and learned as you went along you had some measure of informal training? Even if you did not, finding out as you went along is in a way informal-it was the way I learned to ride a speedway bike after all. I did say both formal AND informal training gave experience.

Perhaps you should have said that "formal OR informal training is essential", not AND

Pete

 

[Nicholas123]

Agree 100%. I maybe buy one mag a year now if it has an article I am particularly interested in, but most of the content is rehashed and recyclced endlessly and as you say, 75% is advertisements.

I think that is more a reflection on the state of the magazione industry than on the state of sailing.

- W

I think it's a reflection on the state of our Society where one person is pitted against each other now to an incredible extent ( I thought that after reading the article in one of the magazines the other day about the best way to make coffee onboard.I forget which one).
Thank God we can still go sailing!

 

[Nicholas123]

Surely if you feel like that the answer is right in front of you. All published media is expensive. Publishers place the load on their management to sell advertising space. Apart from one or two very specialist small run magazines-Waterlog, a high quality subscription only angling mag is one-and scientific and academic journals, again subscription only to members of institutes and learned societies-most mags have to pay their way and sales are not usually enough to cook it. If the content offends you, dont buy them-or if you do, skip the ads.

I read them in the Library when I have got nothing else to do.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Agree 100%. I maybe buy one mag a year now if it has an article I am particularly interested in, but most of the content is rehashed and recyclced endlessly and as you say, 75% is advertisements.

I think that is more a reflection on the state of the magazione industry than on the state of sailing.

- W

Well I just had a look at PBO No1, I got to tell you, it is exactly the same re. advertising. Yottie mags have always been the same. Also, it seems to me that there is only so much you can write about that will be fresh to everybody, and they still have to try and cater for those just coming into sailing. It aint a job I'd like, well apart from being a PBO tester / Reviewer, I might quite like that!