Boot Düsseldorf 2019

[PowerYachtBlog]

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Good point SS get the range in by going for this duo hull / engine thingy - keeping the Luxo condo and dare I say it sporty younger feel bit .

The stat we are after is not some alleged “seakeeping “ there’s other obvious choices ( ask me how I know ) -it’s the age demographic of the “ Trawler “ owners .

Age, time to use what been spent and money normally come together.

I do not like to burst the bubble but this sounds odd since I see similar boats with the same engines similar tonnage and fuel capacity, and hull shape.
When asked to the captains, they told me is possible but you have to drive with one engine at 6 knots. It is just a marketing tool used to lure buyers in a wrong way IMO.
Yes they can do it, but even your Itama 42 can do a similar range if driven in the same way.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Good idea, but don't hold your breath. I can't remember to have ever seen a magazine purposedly arranging a seatrial in F6+ conditions, and in anything less the differences would be neither here nor there.
Besides, the real acid test would also require a third type of boat, i.e. a Nordhavn or similar, to really cover the range of seakeeping differences.
I can't think of any magazine interested and willing to arrange such review.

The first Magellano the 74 had an important test from Savona going to Tunisia, Greece and back in Autumn. They had the trip from Tunisia to Malta in NW beaufort six. There was the video's on Youtube of some of the trip. The test served to add the big spray rail, they have above the water line.

Also Sirena was doing the Azimut 38/40S from 2010 till 2013/14. As far as I know they where doing mostly fiberglass work and some preparation work.

 

[Andrew M]

Have a look at the Apreamare Maestro range .
They do a 65 early 2008 modals with MAN V10.

Oh my word, what a fabulous boat, I think we have a new favorite !

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Do they in the UK, M?
Down here, afaik the Dolphin line sold well mostly to weekend boaters who liked its glamorous look, first and foremost.

I'm just repeating what I've been told P and I have no first hand experience

Btw, since you mention Mochi, their LRC is the only real attempt I can think of ever made by a major builder to adopt a REALLY different hull, designed from scratch for an "in between" speed range.

Funny you should mention the LRC. There was one for sale in La Spezia in 2014 at the same time as I bought my F630 at a price that wasnt a lot more than the F630. I was very intrigued by the concept and also I really liked the different layout to normal boats but that uniqueness put me off because I thought I would lose loads of money in depreciation. How wrong I was. Here's one for sale at a price which was about €1.1m more than the price of the one in La Spezia 5yrs ago https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/mochi-craft-23-3251257/. If I had had the courage of my convictions I might have made a lot of money

I think the LRC was the right boat but unfortunately introduced at the wrong time when the world was in the middle of a financial crisis and nobody was buying boats

 

[BartW]

Funny you should mention the LRC. There was one for sale in La Spezia in 2014 at the same time as I bought my F630 at a price that wasnt a lot more than the F630. I was very intrigued by the concept and also I really liked the different layout to normal boats but that uniqueness put me off because I thought I would lose loads of money in depreciation. How wrong I was. Here's one for sale at a price which was about €1.1m more than the price of the one in La Spezia 5yrs ago https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/mochi-craft-23-3251257/. If I had had the courage of my convictions I might have made a lot of money

I think the LRC was the right boat but unfortunately introduced at the wrong time when the world was in the middle of a financial crisis and nobody was buying boats

lookint at the 3th picture and drawing at the end
she appears to have 2 pairs of stabilisers, thats is a strange configuration, what would be the reason for that ?

 

[henryf]

It turns out I did know about Sirena motor boats, or at least their soft porn video of the 64 from a previous thread on here in 2017 when Eren of this parish was invited to a sea trial. I was less than impressed by the video then and nothing has changed. I didn’t realise I knew the boat or brand when I saw it at the show and ironically it’s a really interesting bit of kit and a company I will keep my eye on. Just goes to show how important a good video is if you’re going to use one.

Pearl 80.

This was the most fleeting of glances just as we were leaving to catch our flight home. Initially I thought we were going to miss out because, “the owner was on board” but then by some miracle he or she became not on board anymore when we mentioned we’d just been looking at the Princess Y85 and loved it. It helped that I was there with one of the wealthier forum members, pretty much a household name. In his household. The Pearl comes with a 5 year guarantee, I know that for a fact because we were told so 3 times during our tour or the vessel.









The headline act here is Kelly Hoppen MBE. I only know her from Dragons Den but it seems she can, in conjunction with Bill Dixon create a very stylish interior. It’s quite hard edged but I can see it will appeal to some people. You certainly felt you were getting a lot of interior for your money.

 

[henryf]

An interesting treatment of internal walls to the supplementary cabins, they had windows that featured internal blinds allowing you to open the rooms up a bit. A small detail but one that I though worked well.

Of course buying a boat is so much more that choosing wall finishes, carpets and a sculptural centrepiece but our all to brief time on board was cut short by Mrs Henry-F threatening to divorce me if I wasn’t there to meet the airport taxi in 3 minutes.

 

[mcanderson]

I'm just repeating what I've been told P and I have no first hand experience



Funny you should mention the LRC. There was one for sale in La Spezia in 2014 at the same time as I bought my F630 at a price that wasnt a lot more than the F630. I was very intrigued by the concept and also I really liked the different layout to normal boats but that uniqueness put me off because I thought I would lose loads of money in depreciation. How wrong I was. Here's one for sale at a price which was about €1.1m more than the price of the one in La Spezia 5yrs ago https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/mochi-craft-23-3251257/. If I had had the courage of my convictions I might have made a lot of money

I think the LRC was the right boat but unfortunately introduced at the wrong time when the world was in the middle of a financial crisis and nobody was buying boats

Forget the boat - where did they get those cushions!

 

[henryf]

So was Düsseldorf worth the effort? Yes it was. With a couple of days there I still came away feeling there were areas left relatively untouched. I missed out a couple of people who I’d seen at Southampton - Elling with their quirky (in a good way) E6 being one such example.

I’m glad I bumped into Sirena Yachts, I shall keep an eye on them moving forwards and look forward to seeing a 58 in the flesh. It was good to meet up with some senior delegates from the forum advisory council over a cup of tea on the Princess stand and later on enjoying some delicious refreshments in the airport lounge when our return flight was delayed.

If you are planning a purchase or any form of refurbishment project then Düsseldorf must surely feature on your radar due to the sheer diversity of exhibitors. Some were prohibitively expensive, others merely reassuringly so but that’s boating for you. My lasting memory from the show? Probably the teak work on the back of the Princess Y85. Absolutely stunning and a sign of things to come….

Forgive the computer generated lift off their website, I didn’t actually get a photo of it on my phone.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

lookint at the 3th picture and drawing at the end
she appears to have 2 pairs of stabilisers, thats is a strange configuration, what would be the reason for that ?

Dunno. I can only assume that their favoured stab supplier (CMC?) didnt have a large enough fin at the time such that they could fit just one? It does seem odd though. There must be a control system to manage the sequencing such that they act simultaneously I guess too

 

[MapisM]

lookint at the 3th picture and drawing at the end she appears to have 2 pairs of stabilisers,
thats is a strange configuration, what would be the reason for that ?

Well spotted. I never saw such configuration either, aside from much larger vessels.
I wouldn't be surprised if those fins were actually retrofitted, because I'm pretty sure that the boat was originally offered with gyro stab(s), and IIRC not even as standard.
I believe that Ferretti's train of thought started from the hull design, which as I said is very peculiar, with a displacement-like forward section (bulbous bow included) which progressively transformed into a catamaran shape astern, or better said a sort of trimaran shape, with a narrowish central hull.
Allegedly, on top of being specifically designed for SD speed, such shape should have granted a much higher stability compared to conventional monohulls.

What I would guess is that the boat is indeed more stable compared to any traditional monohull (either D, SD or P), but unfortunately that is a good thing only up to a point.
When the sea motion is enough to make even the most stable vessels (cue sailing cats) roll, they roll like there's no tomorrow.
And there's no way to stabilize them, because the effectiveness of any stabilizers is inversely proportional to the hull inherent stability.

Now, I don't think that the Mochi LRC stability is anywhere near the one of a sailing cat - if it were, any kind of stabilization system would be completely useless.
But being more stable than a normal monohull, in any sea rough enough to make her roll (and I suspect that it doesn't take much more than a F5/6) she surely needs some VERY powerful stabilization system, to limit the very jerky and uncomfortable motion typical of any hull with a high inherent stability.

Bottom line, my guess is that the answer to your question is, quite simply, because one pair was not enough.
Unless going bezerk with the fins size of a single pair of course, but that would be impractical in more ways than one.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

The headline act here is Kelly Hoppen MBE. I only know her from Dragons Den but it seems she can, in conjunction with Bill Dixon create a very stylish interior.

It may be stylish but it seems Hoppen hasnt yet learned that you dont put square edges on boats where they can hurt people. I can see a sharp edge that could hurt somebody in every photo. That to me seems a fundamental of boat interior design and it amazes me that so many boat builders ignore it. Otherwise did you find out where Pearl are moulding their hulls these days and where they are fitting them out?

Thanks again for posting. This has been one of the best forum threads in a long time

 

[BartW]

Dunno. I can only assume that their favoured stab supplier (CMC?) didnt have a large enough fin at the time such that they could fit just one? It does seem odd though. There must be a control system to manage the sequencing such that they act simultaneously I guess too

cmc developed first / mainly system aimed at +100ft boats, (with much bigger fins than this)...
I can't see from the available info if this is a CMC installation

 

[MapisM]

I can only assume that their favoured stab supplier (CMC?) didnt have a large enough fin at the time such that they could fit just one?

Nah, that's not an option, M.
CMC already had megayacht-size fin stabs already back then - and they could have used also ABT, Naiad, whatever.
Actually, unless memory fools me (and it wouldn't be the first time!) Ferretti only offered Mitsubishi gyros, in those years.
Which would also explain why someone thought to retrofit fins afterwards...

 

[BartW]

Bottom line, my guess is that the answer to your question is, quite simply, because one pair was not enough.
Unless going bezerk with the fins size of a single pair of course, but that would be impractical in more ways than one.

yes most probably, but would be interested to learn more..

 

[MapisM]

This has been one of the best forum threads in a long time

Positively +1, many thanks to henryf.
In many ways, it's even better than going to airports, begging for seeing boats, eating bratwurst, etc...

 

[MapisM]

yes most probably, but would be interested to learn more..

Easy, just email or call De Valk!
I for one would also be curious to hear their explanations.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

cmc developed first / mainly system aimed at +100ft boats, (with much bigger fins than this)...
I can't see from the available info if this is a CMC installation

OK fairenuff you know far more about CMC than me of course

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Positively +1, many thanks to henryf.
In many ways, it's even better than going to airports, begging for seeing boats, eating bratwurst, etc...

Correct. I've seen far more boats in this thread than I actually saw at the show

 

[henryf]

It may be stylish but it seems Hoppen hasnt yet learned that you dont put square edges on boats where they can hurt people. I can see a sharp edge that could hurt somebody in every photo. That to me seems a fundamental of boat interior design and it amazes me that so many boat builders ignore it. Otherwise did you find out where Pearl are moulding their hulls these days and where they are fitting them out?

Thanks again for posting. This has been one of the best forum threads in a long time

As far as I'm aware the hulls are created in China / Taiwan and the boat is finished off in glorious Gosport at Endeavour Quay. I'm not sure to what stage the boat gets taken before it arrives in the UK.

Yes, hard edges are not your friend on a boat and there will be a lot of packing away of loose items prior to casting off. Of course I appreciate the boat was dressed for the show and everyone does it.

Henry