boiling cans - am I going to die

[DownWest]

Fergus, I liked the stuff up in the hills (1970?) The mush served later was 'interesting' along with the neeps etc. Perhaps I was confused about the early stuff, some other conserved sausage, pretty sure they said it was Haggis. Does it dry out if kept? looked more related to the stuff I see around here.

 

[dylanwinter]

18 inches

"Creek creepers unite! You have nothing to lose but your weans..."

I have this image of a long gaggle of wee sailboats, led up rivers by a slighly larger one wi' tan sails.

Er, what's the draft of far-famed Slug?

so just over a welly

there are 650 people aboard already

But the slug is a bit like a tardis

room for more

Dylan

 

[monkfish24]

This has all just reminded me, Ration Packs are vacuum packed and they don't explode in water when you boil them up.... Argument settled.... now where is that danforth gone from my bow.....

 

[salinia]

For those who remember my last post, you will recall that it is my intention to post a video of an ORIGO 3000 in full flow.

I have found Dylans death defying expierience with a can of curry most interesting. I will incorporate a can of rice pudding into my ORIGO video production in order to heighten the suspense and perhaps make an otherwise boring sad video into a blockbuster. (ORIGO now ordered)

 

[PeteE]

Don't try this at home ......

please keep your camera running, would love to see a tin exploding "in the name of science"

As a scientific experiment this is easily replicated but ask an adult first!:

take one washing up bowl and fill to 1" depth with water
take one empty cornflakes packet (or similar), and tear off flaps from the open end.
punch a small hole in the other end and a further hole in the side about 2" up from the open end.
squash the packet slightly so it is roughly cylindrical
invert the packet so that open end is down and place in the bowl.
Fill packet with propane/butane
apply a lit match to the hole in the side and stand back!

Experience suggests that developments of the above with a 5 litre paint tin are NOT to be recommended (that may well kill you)

 

[FergusM]

DownWest, the ones we buy don't tend to last long enough to dry out, I'm afraid. Actually, we treat it as fresh meat for storage purposes. You can buy either a full haggis (of varying sizes) or slices. The slices are cooked in the same way as slices of black pudding or flat sausage (Lorne sausage), i.e. either fried or grilled. I normally cook a haggis by wrapping it in foil and letting it simmer very gently for about three-quarters of an hour to an hour. It comes out beautifully moist but not soggy.

 

[EuanMcKenzie]

not true

OK, here goes;
An out of spec can might be over or under spec - only under spec is going to be an issue, so assuming that 1% are out of spec (a very high estimate I think) then only 1 in 200 cans represents ANY potential issue. Now, if the can is under spec we can assume a standard deviation curve which probably puts a further 40% of the under spec cans within the bounds of safe cooking so we are down to 1 in 2000 potentially failing. Remember that these are cans with a weakness that have already been pre-processed at above the temp Dylan can achieve so if they could fail they would fail then. If the factory had that many failures the cost of clean up would force them to improve their manufacturing process.
My conclusion is that the risk of failure is even lower than that of wilnning the lottery - and the risk of winning the lottery is infinitesimal.

Consequently the assesment or damage caused is pointless.

Edit; You may not consider this an "Exam Quality" answer, but I can assure you it is streets ahead of many exam answers I have marked in my time.

The law only applies to gases.

The contents don't boil till circa 100deg C and if water is the heating medium you can't boil the contents. Only the gas in the top will expand but it will struggle to significantly pressurise the can.

The expansion of solids and water are very small and they will only slightly expand but in an almost undetectable manner.

My steam tables tell me that steam at 1 bar pressure has a temperature of 121 DegC, which is well within the design of a properly seamed can

If the can is in contact with pot you're still not at risk as there is water in the gap between the can lid and the pot and it will dissipate the heat around the remaining water. It if overheats it will boil locally and lift the can off the bottom removing the direct contact.

If your heating medium cannot exceed 100 degrees your fine.

The only risk is if you have a food that hasn't got liquid content in it and expands as it heats, like a pastry or a loaf then boiling water won't cook it anyway.

Anyway this is the poor boys forum i think, and we take managed risks in order to run our boats within our available budget.

my boat is filled with scuttlebutters casts offs picked up second hand from the for sale sections.

I don't even have flame detection on my cooker for heavens sake!

 

[dylanwinter]

Anyway this is the poor boys forum i think, and we take managed risks in order to run our boats within our available budget.

my boat is filled with scuttlebutters casts offs picked up second hand from the for sale sections.

I don't even have flame detection on my cooker for heavens sake!

lovely stuff

cooker......

luxury

film of death defying cookery now on the bootom of the front page of the website

I will leave it there intil this cuisine frenzy dies down

d

 

[salinia]

Steak with Ale Pie combined with new potatoes and an array of condiments, lovely. I was a little aprehensive by the amount of water remaining in the steel saucepan...but timed to perfection.

I am not sure now how to impress the like's of Coaster with my ORIGO forthcoming production, having been beaten to the post.

Well done Dylan.

PS Stella Artois, Nice drink but just a couple of tins gives me a pain in the head.

 

[dylanwinter]

stella secret

Steak with Ale Pie combined with new potatoes and an array of condiments, lovely. I was a little aprehensive by the amount of water remaining in the steel saucepan...but timed to perfection.

I am not sure now how to impress the like's of Coaster with my ORIGO forthcoming production, having been beaten to the post.

Well done Dylan.

PS Stella Artois, Nice drink but just a couple of tins gives me a pain in the head.

the secret is to drink them rather than use them as a pillow

Dylan

 

[Tidewaiter2]

Been there, done that- remember meat and veg on a tommy cooker???

Standard military procedure, although it's a bit wimpy to let them cool down before handling and eating.

Should be juggled between gloved hands while wielding can-spanner, it is also traditional to use the hot water for shaving and washing afterwards (this is made easier as compo tins don't have labels).

Still here 40+ years later, and a lot of the even older farts i was dining with earlier tonight!

Dougie celebrated his 87th tonight, despite Jerry, and UK plc for the last 70 years!
Dad only did 85, fortnight+ short of his Regt no at 86.

Here's a glass to them all, not much fun in the 20's and30's, a sh@@y War, 50's, then the 60's were too late for most ordinary working blokes and women.
There aren't many like them now.

 

[Tidewaiter2]

Blimey, White Scout Car????

'scuse me while I swing the light, but in the good old days when I was driving a mark 1 (petrol engined) Armoured Personnel Carrier it was usual for the crew to cook with electric cookers. By the time we arrived at our destination there was often none left for me! (yes I know miserable lot). I therefore took to lining the space between the exhaust pipe and the side with cans of food of all varieties. Steak and Kidney with pastry was my favourite. Sometimes these would be heated and cooled over days and not once was there a problem, so long as you opened the can wearing gloves.
Has anyone tried that afloat?

Or M3 Half Track??
Which war, ROman , as the mercenary hoplite said???

 

[Tidewaiter2]

Bless you Dylan, wot a terrific thread- i'm 19 again!!!

so just over a welly

there are 650 people aboard already

But the slug is a bit like a tardis

room for more

Dylan

SWMBO says I must go to bed as have to play at being a flag officer tomorrow night- not read all the posts- shooting from hip/uzi on auto- looking fwd to Sunday night and rest of thread- wot a can of worms u started to boil- well done, lad!

As a creaked out Wayfarer cruiser and other things, this and Hotcan moments, and MRE lukewarms all remind me trhat a solid fuel cooker on a moderately fireproof base and a meat & 2 veg or bacon can cannot be beaten- nowadays it's MRE muesli and ciabatta, with olives and a drizzled jus???
please tell me i'm wrong??http://www.ybw.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

 

[Tidewaiter2]

Right on Fergus and Good night

Great idea, boiling cans.

I also use disposable paper plates on top of plastic plates. The plastic plate provides rigidity, and the paper plates go right in the bin. I only have to wash the plastic spork, with a little of the hot water for tea.

On the Waffie and then on the Redfox, we did that-made life a lot easier when freshwater at a premium. Now, with 100g tanks, all washing under running water sometimes- s'not the same.
I get heartsick this time o'night for real sailing-'but the water is wide, i cannot get o'er, nor can i afford SWMBO's wings to fly...so i'm stuck with 10.82 metres,... oh, love is gentle and love is kind.... there is a ship and she sails the sea, loaded deep as deep as deep can be...'

Night all, bot and half of red, 3 pints of guiness, 'Absent Friends', and good company, leave you a bit maudlin

 

[john_morris_uk]

Great idea, boiling cans.

I also use disposable paper plates on top of plastic plates. The plastic plate provides rigidity, and the paper plates go right in the bin. I only have to wash the plastic spork, with a little of the hot water for tea.

With the greatest respect to Ferguson I must try and bookmark this for whenever questions are asked on these forums about 'how I can get my wife/girlfriend to come sailing more often. With domestic habits like these how could any woman resist?

 

[Ubergeekian]

With the greatest respect to Ferguson I must try and bookmark this for whenever questions are asked on these forums about 'how I can get my wife/girlfriend to come sailing more often. With domestic habits like these how could any woman resist?

Ubergeekian's Breakfast Tip Number 1: You can eat Kelloggs multipack cereals straight from their little boxes. Open the box, open the inner wrapper, pour in milk, eat, chuck.

 

[dylanwinter]

fusion food

For those who remember my last post, you will recall that it is my intention to post a video of an ORIGO 3000 in full flow.

I have found Dylans death defying expierience with a can of curry most interesting. I will incorporate a can of rice pudding into my ORIGO video production in order to heighten the suspense and perhaps make an otherwise boring sad video into a blockbuster. (ORIGO now ordered)

you have just replicated fusion food on a boat

the bringing together of new ideas

I think there could be a market for a pan specially designed boiling cans

Dylan

 

[prv]

Ubergeekian's Breakfast Tip Number 1: You can eat Kelloggs multipack cereals straight from their little boxes. Open the box, open the inner wrapper, pour in milk, eat, chuck.

In the US they have perforations on the side as well as the top, so you can do this with the box lying down and hence slightly more bowl-like.

Pete

 

[dylanwinter]

yachting mags

could you ever imagine a member of staff on any of the yachting magazines in the UK covering stuff like this

eating straight out of the ceral packet

tinned haggis

paper plates on plastic ones

which yacht manufacturer would be prepared to take a full page advert up against an artical that included this sort of information.

Incredible stuff chaps

 

[Heckler]

On the Waffie and then on the Redfox, we did that-made life a lot easier when freshwater at a premium. Now, with 100g tanks, all washing under running water sometimes- s'not the same.
I get heartsick this time o'night for real sailing-'but the water is wide, i cannot get o'er, nor can i afford SWMBO's wings to fly...so i'm stuck with 10.82 metres,... oh, love is gentle and love is kind.... there is a ship and she sails the sea, loaded deep as deep as deep can be...'

Night all, bot and half of red, 3 pints of guiness, 'Absent Friends', and good company, leave you a bit maudlin

Love it!
Stu