Bouba
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
When will boats have watertight compartments instead of bedroom doors?
When will boats have watertight compartments instead of bedroom doors?
Boat sinks in Jersey
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richard-Jsy
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
That photo is after the collision, when it has lost its top mark. The picture is deceptive, as there is nothing to reference the size to. Look at post no14 for the before picture. The buoy marked the northern limit of the mainshipping channel into St Helier.
That photo is after the collision, when it has lost its top mark. The picture is deceptive, as there is nothing to reference the size to. Look at post no14 for the before picture. The buoy marked the northern limit of the mainshipping channel into St Helier.
jfm
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
When they need them. A Pershing 62 doesn't, if you drive it right.
When they need them. A Pershing 62 doesn't, if you drive it right.
jfm
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MapisM
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I see what you mean of course, but a pleasure boat with a bit more of safety built-in is indeed a sensible proposition, imho.
I've got 4 w/t compartments in the DP - and I'm not considering the bow section, whose bottom is above the w/l.
On top of that, the structural tank glassed above the hull bottom is for all intent and purposes another one...
Mmm... Neither did the Titanic, if it weren't driven into an iceberg.
I see what you mean of course, but a pleasure boat with a bit more of safety built-in is indeed a sensible proposition, imho.
I've got 4 w/t compartments in the DP - and I'm not considering the bow section, whose bottom is above the w/l.
On top of that, the structural tank glassed above the hull bottom is for all intent and purposes another one...
Portofino
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Yup , agree with water tight compartment s - me to :encouragement:- ,not including the bow locker ,which is btw and large ,we have 3 main .
Rear living accommodation, E room , fwd living accommodation .
“Bed room doors “ are irrelevant.
So there are 3 water tight bulk heads in all .Technically inc the bow ,cos it’s massive in relation to the boat making 3 + 1 compartments.
Passage of services is through water tight glands and fittings in the bulk heads ,not just holes or holes gobbed up with sealant .
The P brackets are under the rear accommodation,so if you were to strike an underwater object and rip em off only that area would flood only , it’s not a sinker as you can see .
It’s the sort of detail that some builders go into to , follow a classification RINA in this case .
Stuff like every compartment had an escape hatch @ the highest point —- just reflect on that a moment ,getting out while it ( a compartment) is flooding .
Light switches are in the ceilings along with the rest of the circuitry , so will stay on as a compartment floods ,so you can Wake up and turn them on easily if it’s dark etc to help facilitate escape Loads of tiny details, — sum of all the parts kinda thing .Not one thing in isolation.
It’s the last thing today’s modern buyer, presented with a sea of plastic fantastic @ a boat show , considers in the buying process, water tight bulk heads and escape hatches if it’s holed .Or on fire !
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Yup , agree with water tight compartment s - me to :encouragement:- ,not including the bow locker ,which is btw and large ,we have 3 main .
Rear living accommodation, E room , fwd living accommodation .
“Bed room doors “ are irrelevant.
So there are 3 water tight bulk heads in all .Technically inc the bow ,cos it’s massive in relation to the boat making 3 + 1 compartments.
Passage of services is through water tight glands and fittings in the bulk heads ,not just holes or holes gobbed up with sealant .
The P brackets are under the rear accommodation,so if you were to strike an underwater object and rip em off only that area would flood only , it’s not a sinker as you can see .
It’s the sort of detail that some builders go into to , follow a classification RINA in this case .
Stuff like every compartment had an escape hatch @ the highest point —- just reflect on that a moment ,getting out while it ( a compartment) is flooding .
Light switches are in the ceilings along with the rest of the circuitry , so will stay on as a compartment floods ,so you can Wake up and turn them on easily if it’s dark etc to help facilitate escape Loads of tiny details, — sum of all the parts kinda thing .Not one thing in isolation.
It’s the last thing today’s modern buyer, presented with a sea of plastic fantastic @ a boat show , considers in the buying process, water tight bulk heads and escape hatches if it’s holed .Or on fire !
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MapisM
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
If so, it's indeed impressive how much reserve flotation is left (with possibly the e/r still dry, at a guess?)
I can't think of many other P boats which I'd expect to survive such punishment... :encouragement:
Blimey, does the boat in that pic have P bracket(s) teared off and the stern compartment completely flooded?
If so, it's indeed impressive how much reserve flotation is left (with possibly the e/r still dry, at a guess?)
I can't think of many other P boats which I'd expect to survive such punishment... :encouragement:
Bathdave
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
It's a local boat owned by a local resident
I heard yesterday (having just got back to jersey after a month doing a transAt) , that there was a professional skipper on board with the owner when it hit.
I guess that's maybe why the insurance company aren't looking to salvage - figuring that the skippers insurer should be paying ?
I wonder if it’s a stock boat , demo shipped by Ventura to the CI ,s ? Carted around from from one market to another .
Hence the Boat showy name .
Handy re VAT and cash flow to reg it in the CI .
Although the released info mentions “owners “ - - I do hope the guys who took it out and stuffed it into a buoy have watertight ( scuse the pun ) insurance .Ie the ins Co have not got any ammo to cock off
Reason I raise this is all this talk from the HM ,s office of leaving it on the sea bed .
Most decent policy’s have pretty good verging on generous salvage provisions.
It does not feel deep ( happy to be corrected by diver ?) for a few divers to get an air bag or two in .
Another thing that’s not adding up in my book is the eco side of things ,
Fart anywhere in the EEA ,and the environmental police jump on you ( that’s a metaphor JRudge)
Those tanks will leak obviously , so hence the recovery of the perceived nasty stuff , but why not place a few bags and arrange a suitable surface vessel to cart if off once lifted ?? If you have divers on it anyhow ?
The eco side may be funded by somebody else not the “ owners “ ins Co —- so just do there bit only ?
It will all come out in the wash ,
But so far on top of the initial smacking it into a lit buoy ,we now have Q,s over what’s happening next ?
There’s something not adding up about the whole thing
It's a local boat owned by a local resident
I heard yesterday (having just got back to jersey after a month doing a transAt) , that there was a professional skipper on board with the owner when it hit.
I guess that's maybe why the insurance company aren't looking to salvage - figuring that the skippers insurer should be paying ?
Bathdave
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
A salvage team of 20, including 14 divers, and a barge from Antwerp have arrived, and salvage is due to start tomorrow.
A salvage team of 20, including 14 divers, and a barge from Antwerp have arrived, and salvage is due to start tomorrow.
longjohnsilver
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That sounds expensive. I wonder why they are bothering as I can't imagine that there will be much that is worth salvaging.
That sounds expensive. I wonder why they are bothering as I can't imagine that there will be much that is worth salvaging.
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petem
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
If it hit a buoy then surely it's at the edge of a navigable channel. I suspect they want to move it in case the tides / currents change its position.
Plus there is the environmental issue. I know it's only plastic but nobody wants tons of plastic and other junk lying on the seabed.
If it hit a buoy then surely it's at the edge of a navigable channel. I suspect they want to move it in case the tides / currents change its position.
Plus there is the environmental issue. I know it's only plastic but nobody wants tons of plastic and other junk lying on the seabed.
Boat2016
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Phildorset
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
This boat tied up to us during the summer whilst we were overnighting in St Helier on our way back home, lovely boat, affable young skipper showed us around, it's sad to know it's now sunk and ruined.
This boat tied up to us during the summer whilst we were overnighting in St Helier on our way back home, lovely boat, affable young skipper showed us around, it's sad to know it's now sunk and ruined.
lpdsn
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longjohnsilver
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I'm sure I read somewhere that it was in 16m of water and that the local authorities planned to leave it there, hence my surprise at the latest recovery news.
I'm sure I read somewhere that it was in 16m of water and that the local authorities planned to leave it there, hence my surprise at the latest recovery news.
Boat2016
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Because that's what they do whenever there's an incident on the water, I know it's not on their website yet but don't know how long they take to start the investigation
Because that's what they do whenever there's an incident on the water, I know it's not on their website yet but don't know how long they take to start the investigation
Bathdave
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The salvage crew have found that the boat has now broken up and have cancelled the operation. One engine was recovered, the fuel on board has gone.
Bits of it, including the blue plastic ships registry folder, have washed up on the beach.
I don't understand why it took over a month to mobilise a salvage, which seems to the uninitiated like me, was only likely to have any value recovered if it was done quickly.
The salvage crew have found that the boat has now broken up and have cancelled the operation. One engine was recovered, the fuel on board has gone.
Bits of it, including the blue plastic ships registry folder, have washed up on the beach.
I don't understand why it took over a month to mobilise a salvage, which seems to the uninitiated like me, was only likely to have any value recovered if it was done quickly.
Portofino
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
Insurance squabble most likely.
Who was @ the helm ? Where they correctly insured ? - covered ?.?
There’s a clause or two in my policy - along the lines of “ not to be used by professional skippers “
“Charter “ etc
Presume a greater actuarial risk ?Which I have not paid for .
In car terms it’s just ‘ social. Domestic and pleasure “ so to speak - the boaty worlds equivalent.
As I said very early on there’s a lot here not adding up and it will eventually all come out - in time .
Insurance squabble most likely.
Who was @ the helm ? Where they correctly insured ? - covered ?.?
There’s a clause or two in my policy - along the lines of “ not to be used by professional skippers “
“Charter “ etc
Presume a greater actuarial risk ?Which I have not paid for .
In car terms it’s just ‘ social. Domestic and pleasure “ so to speak - the boaty worlds equivalent.
As I said very early on there’s a lot here not adding up and it will eventually all come out - in time .
MapisM
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Re: Pershing 62 sinks
I guess most folks (not to mention professional skippers!) would disagree...
...but it's interesting to read that insurers seem to see my point!
I always thought that the only chance a professional skipper could have of delivering my boat anywhere without me onboard is over my dead body - reason being, very simply, that most of them don't care about the boat, and just try to get the job done asap.
I guess most folks (not to mention professional skippers!) would disagree...
...but it's interesting to read that insurers seem to see my point!
