Boat "Ringer" Anyone bought one ?

[Ben Dockrell 22]

A ringer is a car thats been put together from two or more cars ? do tell me if im wrong as i admit i dont drive !

So has anyone bought the boat version of a ringer ? or you walked away from buying one seeing the truth of it ?

 

[westernman]

It used to be quite common to saw a boat in half and then lengthen it.
e.g. this one:-
http://www.davidjonesclassics.com/sail/372/owl-1909-white-bros-ketch/

 

[sarabande]

Isn't M V having a few extra metres added at Pendennis. Will that be OK for Ben D ?

 

[Ben Dockrell 22]

Isn't M V having a few extra metres added at Pendennis. Will that be OK for Ben D ?

 

[sailorman]

many MABs were made from 2 or more hull sections, quite normal

 

[Tranona]

Barfleur from Brittany ferries might be on the market. She was "cut and shut" after she was built and before she was delivered to add accommodation to reflect market demand. You can't see the joins.

 

[Ben Dockrell 22]

It used to be quite common to saw a boat in half and then lengthen it.
e.g. this one:-
http://www.davidjonesclassics.com/sail/372/owl-1909-white-bros-ketch/

Chain: Size 16, 492′ may i ask how much the chain weighs ?

Do you have to treat it as ballast ?

Im breathless!

 

[rotrax]

Barfleur from Brittany ferries might be on the market. She was "cut and shut" after she was built and before she was delivered to add accommodation to reflect market demand. You can't see the joins.

In the seventies I worked for Kawasaki Motors UK Ltd, the motorcycle , generator and Jet Ski importers. Quarterly we would get the Kawasaki Heavy Industries-the parent company in Japan-house newsletter. In one issue they reported how they won the job of lengthening a Norwegian Bulk Carrier by about 25%, adding extra engine cylinders and improving the existing cylinders for fuel economy and efficiency. They pre-fabricated the hull section, built the extra engine bits-MAN Diesel IIRC-while the ship was on passage. By the time the ship arrived in Kobe the pre constuction was almost complete.They achieved it by working round the clock in the shipyard. When the ship arrived it was dry docked, cut just in front of the engine room/ accomadation block/bridge area, pulled apart, the engine work done, the new section lowered into place and re welded. The job took 13 weeks IIRC and this timescale was why KHI got the job. The European yards prices were not much different but the downtime of the ship was significantly more.

 

[saltylegs]

A ringer is a car thats been put together from two or more cars ? do tell me if im wrong as i admit i dont drive !

So has anyone bought the boat version of a ringer ? or you walked away from buying one seeing the truth of it ?

A ringer is when you steal a clean indentity and clone your vehicle/craft to match.
making a "new" vehicle/craft out of 2 or more sections of others is called a cut and shut.

 

[Rum_Pirate]

It used to be quite common to saw a boat in half and then lengthen it.
e.g. this one:-
http://www.davidjonesclassics.com/sail/372/owl-1909-white-bros-ketch/

IN 2006

IN 2009 - cut in half and stretched

IN 2009 - finished

More info at

http://www.fortressmarineltd.com/

 

[William_H]

Ringer

I think the OP is getting confused between cars and boats. Cars tend to be off a very large production line all identical within model and option differences so if you buy a second hand car which is obviously a certain model you have a right to expect that it is what it looks like. ie identical to every other similar model. If the ringing involves replacement of correct spare parts well that must be OK although often regarded as illegal and dangerous joining major body parts together such that integrity is doubtful.
Boats tend to be a lot different.
My own trailer sailer is made in Melbourne by a family company and they have made near 300 in 30 years. same notional model. However it is generally agreed no 2 boats are the same. They just keep trying to refine the design for economy or improvement.
Now it may be reasonable to regard say a Benetaeu as mass produced and therefor definable as an example of a particular model but most boats certainly sail boats are more a series of one off constructions. ie never twice the same. In which case to replace say the rigging with a different sort or the engine or redesign the cabin with parts from eleswhere means very little.
So if you buy a second hand boat you get what you see. There should be no criticism of the modifyer of a boat who puts it up for sale simply because it varies from the way it was built. Mostly we improve on the builder with better gear because he was building to a price.
So to the OP question. No you just buy what you buy. Modifications will be part of any old boat. Mostly for the better but the purchaser has to decide. It is unlikely that 2 wrecked boats might be joined to make one saleable one. If this is the case it should be obvious. good luck olewill

 

[davidej]

Isn't M V having a few extra metres added at Pendennis.

A few years back all our fishermen were doing the opposite - chopping great lumps off their bows and sterns to get them in the 10 meter classification.

 

[Tranona]

In the seventies I worked for Kawasaki Motors UK Ltd, the motorcycle , generator and Jet Ski importers. Quarterly we would get the Kawasaki Heavy Industries-the parent company in Japan-house newsletter. In one issue they reported how they won the job of lengthening a Norwegian Bulk Carrier by about 25%, adding extra engine cylinders and improving the existing cylinders for fuel economy and efficiency. They pre-fabricated the hull section, built the extra engine bits-MAN Diesel IIRC-while the ship was on passage. By the time the ship arrived in Kobe the pre constuction was almost complete.They achieved it by working round the clock in the shipyard. When the ship arrived it was dry docked, cut just in front of the engine room/ accomadation block/bridge area, pulled apart, the engine work done, the new section lowered into place and re welded. The job took 13 weeks IIRC and this timescale was why KHI got the job. The European yards prices were not much different but the downtime of the ship was significantly more.

Similar to the Barfleur. The owners dithered about the best configuration for the route (Poole Cherbourg) then made that last minute decision to go larger - delayed delivery a bit. However, did not uprate the power enough and for the first couple of years had restrictions on operating in the harbour for fear of losing control in the tight channel. Went back for upgraded propulsion system.

Unfortunately all in the past now as the recession and exchange rate problems have killed the trade.

Happy Days!

 

[shaunksb]

making a "new" vehicle/craft out of 2 or more sections of others is called a cut and shut.

This has been a huge problem locally.

A dedicated specialist police team has been formed to combat the problem.

Our local Chief Constable was reported as saying, "they are making significant progress against the perpetrators." from the back of his E Type Combine Harvester...


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[Ben Dockrell 22]

This has been a huge problem locally.

A dedicated specialist police team has been formed to combat the problem.

Our local Chief Constable was reported as saying, "they are making significant progress against the perpetrators." from the back of his E Type Combine Harvester...


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from the back of his E Type Combined Harvester...

 

[Bobobolinsky]

I think from this thread and others that Ben is referring to the illegal operation of cloning the identity of say a US boat, with a an EU apparently VAT paid identity. Perhaps that of a boat that has been lost, cutup etc. Or even one that you own, in the marina for the last 20 years Since there is no registration process and no one knows what the boat looks like except in generic terms, a pre 1996 boat with no HIN or RCD could become VAT paid.

The UK does not database any form of identity, engine no's etc. SSR requires no real identity checks on boat or owner

Hmrc are holding out the honesty box

 

[Ben Dockrell 22]

I think from this thread and others that Ben is referring to the illegal operation of cloning the identity of say a US boat, with a an EU apparently VAT paid identity. Perhaps that of a boat that has been lost, cutup etc. Or even one that you own, in the marina for the last 20 years Since there is no registration process and no one knows what the boat looks like except in generic terms, a pre 1996 boat with no HIN or RCD could become VAT paid.

The UK does not database any form of identity, engine no's etc. SSR requires no real identity checks on boat or owner

Hmrc are holding out the honesty box

Bet all the honesty goodies in the box are long gone ???? typical !!!

 

[Bobobolinsky]

That's the stupidity of retroactive legislation. The government don't enact retroactive legislation, this screw up is purely down to HMRC

 

[Ben Dockrell 22]

That's the stupidity of retroactive legislation. The government don't enact retroactive legislation, this screw up is purely down to HMRC

I have seen many times that tax or vat is not obligatory ? though they dont want to say so.