Boat papers

[petethetreat]

Hi, I'm planning a cruise across to France early next month and wondered what boat papers I will need. All I do have is a bill of sale. The boat is 30 years old so I don't think that it'll need any CE cert.

Any advise would be great.

Cheers

Pete

 

[duncan]

quite a few threads on this subject - well worth a search.

1. proof of ownership - usually registration under Part 1 or 3

2. bill of sale showing vat paid or not approapriate (original required)

3. Ships radio licence if one is installed on the vessel

4. pasaports for all crew members

advisable

5. certificate of insurance

6. new equivilent of the E111 cards for all crew

licences

7. VHF operators licence if using said licenced ships station other than for distress

8. ICC endorsed for CEVNI if venturing into non tidal waters

I am sure errors and omissions will quickly get corrected!

 

[jonathankent]

Unless previous owners have been very good with the paperwork you'll be very lucky to have the original bill of sale for this age of yacht. Mine is 30-35yrs old, and no original bill of sale, just what I got when I bought her.

 

[Pye_End]

If you go to Calais harbour at the moment the first things they will ask you for are your SSR (or full registration if you have one), and your passport.

Duncan lists everything else, although the chances of having to produce many of them are small, although no doubt varies depending on where you go. That it not to say that they are not worth taking!

 

[duncan]

JM I meant the original of the bill of sale when you purchased - sry for the lack of clarity, and thanks for highlighting the issue!

 

[SoulFireMage]

So what on earth do you do when the original doesn't exist?! Are they that bothered for older boats?

 

[duncan]

can't say as I haven't had an older boat and headed abroad...............

lots and lots of threads on boat vat status - proably best to go have a search if you are worried!

it was certainly suggested that it would be difficult for 'the other side' to prove that an invoice purporting to be in relation to the purchase of that vessel from a vat registered company that no longer existed wasn't.............if you see what I mean. Modern printing etc being what it is..........

 

[Pye_End]

Something like anything shown to be older than 1979(think) is not of interest as far as VAT is concerned, so original invoice showing VAT free is not required. The Bill of Sale means that you do not seen to prove VAT status to the French and that it is only a matter for the UK customs. Think more people will have Bills of Sale than original VAT invoices for slightly older boats - ie. before any of this became an issue.

Having said all this, was it YM or PBO who were trrying to find the number of instances where the VAT status of a yacht has been questioned for visitors? I have never heard of anyone being questioned on this, but I still take the necessary just in case.

 

[LadyInBed]

The only MUST have is passport and SSR (or equiv).
Anything else is a nice to have, though Insurance cert MAY be required by a marina but I have never been asked to produce it in over 30 years, and radio licence / op cert, but you should carry these in UK waters any how !!!
Do a search as this comes up often and every time you will see people recommending everything including a licence for the kitchen sink!

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Agree with LadyinBed... only thing I would see as a 'definitely carry' is Bill of Sale..... neighbouring British boat got asked for that In Oostende a couple of weeks ago....

 

[LadyInBed]

All very well and good but my Bill of Sale refers to a different boat name, as I changed it's name when I bought it !!

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Ah. Interesting challenge that one...... never thought of that problem before.... presumably you have paperwork from the SSR from when you changed the name?

Glad now that we decided to stick with the boats original name rather than follow our plans to change it...

 

[JackFrobisher]

I agree with everything recommended so far. Not having SSR document - you risk a fine 150 Euros. Not being SSR registered - you risk a fine of 2,000 euros. I know from personal experience. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[LadyInBed]

I SSR'ed it after name change. Previous owner didn't 'go foreign' so not SSR'ed.

 

[bendyone]

I am keeping my boat in Calais this year, all they wanted was a copy of the SSR and insurance cert.

 

[webcraft]

And is the weedy little Part III certificate always adequate? Not the world's most impressive document . . .

- Nick

 

[AngusMcDoon]

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And is the weedy little Part III certificate always adequate?

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It is.

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Not the world's most impressive document

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It isn't.

 

[jonathankent]

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All very well and good but my Bill of Sale refers to a different boat name, as I changed it's name when I bought it !!

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Isn't it supposed to be unlucky to change a boats name?