Boat measurements; when is a 37 foot boat not........

[Becky]

37 feet long?

When it is in a marina, of course.

I believe that she gets relaxed and grows in the safe congenial conditions we have paid (heavily) for.

The book describing our boat written by Mr Moody himself, no less, states that she is 36 ft 8 inches long overall. So that is what we told the nice people at Haslar. But, because Mr Bavaria makes long yachts and calls them by short names, Haslar have measured all the yachts resident in the marina. And it turns out that Cornish Maid is now actually almost 40 feet, but they will stettle for 38ft 4 inches.

'Course, this begs the question of how do you actually measure a yacht? Do you include the pulpit and/or anchor, whichever sticks out the most? And what about all the meccano we have on the stern (commonly known as a Monitor self-steering)? Haslar have ignored all that. But I suppose that strictly speaking, they didn't have to.

So, has she grown? Or does Mr Moody call his yachts by shorter names than they actually are, like the Bav clan?

We checked with a very long tape, and sadly Haslar's peeps seem to be correct. From the end of the hull at the stern to the front of the anchor holding thingy we seem to be 38 feet and a bit. If you include the pulpit, then we are nearly 40 feet.

Richard's very understated comment on all this was 'Well, no wonder she is so comfortable!' Says it all really.

So have you other guys and gals measured your boats, and if so, do the figures match the manufacturers? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[MrG_2]

Becky
I would have said they count every little thing, pulpit,pushpit, bowsprit, although I haven't seen one of those on a recent Moody.
We too have been measured at 12.19 metres, used to be 12.2, so we have a saving there.... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
On a slightly different tack, I find it strange that one could have a 37 footer with a water line at 31 foot or so..

 

[snowleopard]

For optimistic measurements, try a Hunter. Thir Pilot 27 is actually a 25ft hull plus rudder and pulpit.

 

[ChrisE]

For LOA/LWL funnies try our Rival 38, real length 37' 4", LWL, 29'. It is designed to be an IOR rule cheating boat, her LWL increases as she heels and at 35-40 degrees LWL is up to about 34'.

 

[Guest]

You bare actually lucky ...

Frioend of mine at Port Solent some years ago had been paying each year his dues .... no problem. Then along comes a wise-man with tape and measures his boat ....OOPS ! Trips him into next fee base .... a not insubstantial amount I mught add.
He receives a letter kindly asking that he amend his fee payments to the new amount etc. Of course he queries the new fees ...
Turns out that he left his anchor extending over the stem - that was included into the new measurement ....
So he removed offending article ... requested re-measurement and was refused .... told basically take it or leave it ........... So he left !!

If Haslar are not including appendages - I think you are lucky.

Officially Yacht LOA is from stem to stern excluding additional appendages .... a good example is the SSR explanation sheet which shows it clearly ..... But marinas are not that slow on the uptake and extraction of max fee.

FYI - My boat is stated in sales blurb in 1970's to be 25 ft ........ she was measured for Langstone Harbour Board some years ago .... yep - 25ft spot on.

 

[Sybarite]

I was informed that my charge was going up last year after "measurement". However what they actually do is use some publication which gives overall length including appendages. Some years ago I changed my pulpit for a non-standard shorter one which brought me down a category (by one cm...). I was able to demonstrate this at two different ports.

John

 

[John_N]

Must be very difficult to measure a boat to within 1 cm., especially with the obstructions such as coach roof etc., and determining perpendiculars from pulpit and transom or self steering rear.

 

[Evadne]

When overnighting in a marina I always quote the length in feet. I know what the metric equivalent is, but what you get charged for varies from 8m upwards. If they were to get it too long, I'd correct them. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And another thing: marinas with 20 foot long (or thereabouts) pontoons. How can they possibly justify charging you by the foot, especially when your boat is longer than 20 feet? /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

[Wansworth]

In Galicia over 12 metres and your in mega bucks ; as you enter into the 12 15 meter lenght

 

[Guest]

The DIY Manual on measuring boats ....

Take one roll of string ..... two heavy plumb-bob weights ...... sticky-tape and a tape-measure.

One boat out of water .... plumb-line and bob from stem / stern held by sticky tape.

Measure between two bobs ...

"Bobs" yer uncle .... sorry about pun.

If boat is afloat .... laser spirit level .... to set right-angle marks on pontoon with chalk .... maesure bewteen marks .... or even better carefully nudge boat up to pontoon so that stem is touching .... keep it hard on with mooring lines ... carry on ...

Not so hard when you do it "off the boat" .....

 

[snowleopard]

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... marinas with 20 foot long (or thereabouts) pontoons. How can they possibly justify charging you by the foot, especially when your boat is longer than 20 feet? /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Probably the same way they charge a 40 ft cat twice as much as a 40 ft mono when moored alongside and using exactly the same length of pontoon. (Mayflower & Mylor)

 

[BlueSkyNick]

Re: You bare actually lucky ...

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If Haslar are not including appendages - I think you are lucky.

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From the other thread where I posted the prices at Berthon, it says they include appendages on the back such as davits, dinghies and ...... bumpkins.

So what's one of them - I always thought it was some vagrant type, just hanging around doing nothing.

 

[Jemmie]

Well is the same as a car park, use two spaces and get charged for both.

 

[snowleopard]

I am prepared to pay for 2 berths if I take up 2, e.g. between fingers. Alongside, I take up no more room than a half boat.

 

[Peppermint]

Re: \"Peppermint\" precision

My boat is a Compromis 777. It is, including it's overhangs, exactly 7.77m long. Accurate those Dutch blokes.

MDL count fixed overhang. So Pulpit, boarding ladder or windvane push the bill up. I pay for 8m so I've got 23cm in hand.

 

[Victorious]

Re: \"Peppermint\" precision

Please.... just keep the noise down on this subject.
You have any idea how much hassle it is shipping 18ft of bowsprit?

 

[Guest]

What is amazing about Solent prices, is not so much the prices themselves, which are pretty amazing, but the fact that those are only the headline figures. I reckon that keeping my boat in Germany, I get equivalent services (and a better cruising ground), for, let's say, very roughly 6x less than the Solent 'headline' prices.

But that is not even taking account of the fact that I get free electricity, they don't try to remeasure the boat, I have on two occasions been given a free months in the water mooring when I decided to leave my boat for the winter, etc. etc. etc.

You would think that, at the prices that Solent marinas charge, the price would include them not taking the mick over re-measuring etc.

Apologies to all those who are bored with being told how much they are being ripped off!

 

[Dyflin]

The length overall is including any davits, bowsprits etc. If a boat has these then it requires additional manoeuvring room and may have to go into a larger berth. Also, it seems to be an industry standard to have 3/4 length fingers up to a certain length of boat. I've never stepped on and off at the starboard or port shoulder so I can see the point of it...

The manufacturers number on a boat is more often than not out by a good bit on the LOA.

 

[Sailfree]

I found out that my old Dufour 38 was a 40. I was initially quite proud until I read the bottom line of the invoice.

I understand supply & demand etc but accepting that Solent marina prices are by a factor of 3x too high why aren't say MDL shares worth £1m each as their profit and dividend payments should be high or is everyone getting in on the act and the other statutory charges rates etc (do they also pay the harbourmaster/river authority any money?) are also comensorately high?

 

[Talbot]

Crown Commissioner's rent is a major part of the cost for berths on UK South Coast

This is not a payment to the crown, but yet another of the Government taxes on boaters.