Boat in build pics (2013 Fairline Squadron 78)

[z1ppy]

Just a quick point on touchscreens, we had a pair of garmins on the rib and I had to place my palm on the plotter frame to steady myself when using them at speed. Up to 30 ish kts was fine but over that it go a bit challenging in anything other than flat calm.

I do see them as the future tho and wouldnt go back to buttons (which we had on the hunton). As others have said, in a ship like match touch screen would be perfect and in the tender the it would be worth the sacrifice to keep the look and continuity throughout.

Lovely looking boat Jfm but we always knew it would be!! Really looking forward to seeing the internal changes his time!

 

[STEVEDUNSTABLE]

Quick update. Boatbuild is storming along; pic below from Monday this week. It is being launched in the test tank to run engines etc, this Friday. I'll try to go to factory and will get more pics then, and post them this weekend. Both sets of flybridge stairs will be in by then too. The tender dashboard project is also done, and I'll see that on Saturday

Hi jfm ....hope your well...... love the update pic..ANOTHER stupid question.....on the starboard deck, are those rope/fender lockers or engine air intakes or.......???.......also, how does the bimi forward facing supports stay in postion ? black straps??... (ps. LOVE the F/B stairs )!!!!!!!

 

[Groot T]

Hmmm. I'm aware of how they work. I'd dispute your sentence above though, along the same lines as Sarabande had in mind earlier (I think). First, it's perfectly possible that different papers have different conductivities, making your "test" a bit sporadic, and second it is possible to make a screen work "through" paper by simply increasing the potential of the base electric charge applied to the touchscreen surface, but that would be a pointless thing to do other than to pass with flying colours your test.

A quality test has to be relevant. Your "touch through paper" quality standard is like someone inventing a quality test for cars of "Does it make good pizza?". Then to meet this test Skoda add a microwave oven into the dashboard, and claim it beats the "quality test" better than Mercedes. Sure, the Skoda would then cook pizza better than the Mercedes, just like Hatteland might work through cardboard better than Garmin, if you get my drift.

Hang on.. How do you know of my secret plans to knock-up a pizza on my way home or warm up a Fray Bentos on a long drive to see a customer..? Patent pending!

I see your point about different conductivities of paper / adjusting the charge on the screen to pick up use. Applying logic, which is a surprisingly dangerous thing to do within the maritime industry, I would presume that all touch-screens are up to a similar standard and capable of covering most of the day-to-day conditions.
The paper test came from the SeaWork 2012 show when a competitor came onto the stand and started talking with me about the Hattelands, he was from Beijer Electronics IIRC. His job was to try and crack the maritime market and wanted to know a bit about who Hatteland are, etc. More than happy to help him. But he then did his paper test and then said 'that's annoying. Really annoying'. Shortly after that he walked off sulking. Kinda feel sorry for the chap. Either way, for him it was a reasonable test, so figured I'd use his argument.

However, the Garmins should be good quality! I would be really shocked if they can't handle use in the Med!

 

[Lozzer]

Hi JFM.

Builds coming on nicely, before you know it you will be sipping Champagne on the back of her in Antibes.

Taking your sailing idea of putting a laser on top I have just bought one myself.

However, this is a scaled model that packs away very nicely and only needs a puff of wind to get going. Another skipper in the harbour has one so we are having great fun match racing. Attached photo.

 

[jfm]

Hi jfm ....hope your well...... love the update pic..ANOTHER stupid question.....on the starboard deck, are those rope/fender lockers or engine air intakes or.......???.......also, how does the bimi forward facing supports stay in postion ? black straps??... (ps. LOVE the F/B stairs )!!!!!!!

Hi steve
The top half of the aft rectangular opening will be a fender locker, for one fender that slides in horizontally. A liner moulding and door still need to be installed here. The bottom half is an engine room extraction fan - you can just see the fan unit poking up above the gunwhale. This sucks in warm air through the aft "face" of the (axial) fan, through a big duct/void in the engine room ceiling, and squirts it forwards into a duct that exits in the hull side just below this fan.This duct is closed off automatically by electric louvres (which are a JFM upgrade) when the engines and gensets are off, and in the event of fire of course.

Then the two rectangles further forward are engine room air intake grilles. These are just white painted grilles on the outside, and inside them there is another set of electric louvres so the engine room is automatically sealed up from drafts when the engines and gensets are off and in the event of fire

There is another locker for 3 fenders, just in front of the pantograph side deck door, not visible in that pic. Therefore, each side of the boat has hidden dedicated storage for 4 big fenders. I like this aspect of the boat, cos I don't like fenders on show

The biminai is held forward by st/steel wires with those "pelican hooks" for quick release. I'll find a photo. One day when I've nothing better to do I'd love to automate these because right now the bimini folds back on hydraulics at the touch of a switch on the dash, but these wires still have to be undone manually, which isn't particularly slick

 

[henryf]

It won't be long before you're shaking her down in the Solent.

Currently tied up alongside Lymington town quay (they let you do that when its quiet off season). Your tub would look quite the part

Henry

 

[jfm]

Hi JFM.

Builds coming on nicely, before you know it you will be sipping Champagne on the back of her in Antibes.

Taking your sailing idea of putting a laser on top I have just bought one myself.

However, this is a scaled model that packs away very nicely and only needs a puff of wind to get going. Another skipper in the harbour has one so we are having great fun match racing. Attached photo.

Hi Lozzer
I've seen those r/c Lasers in the shops a few times and wondered about getting one. Looking good in your pic! On non windy days I could do a flyby and create wind with the quadcopter, though the carnage and expense of that could be considerable
Ready for the season? What's itinerary looking like?

 

[jfm]

It won't be long before you're shaking her down in the Solent.

Currently tied up alongside Lymington town quay (they let you do that when its quiet off season). Your tub would look quite the part

Henry

Yup. You don't want to wish your life away but I'm looking forward to it. I'd like to keep her in Lymington for a few weeks of shakedown because I love the place (was berthed there in Phantom 42, - blast from past for you also - 1999 till Med move in 2002/3). I think I'd need to get there early to get on the town quay in May/June, cos twud be a bit awkward rafting up

 

[henryf]

You'd have to span a couple of boats.

Hopefully we can meet up at some point when you're out and about.


Henry

 

[MapisM]

I would be interested to understand how the CMC system reacts when a waves hits the boat at anchor. From watching the hydraulic stabs, they react VERY fast. With an electric system, the torque of the genset needs to increase almost instantly and I don't know if the genset's reaction is fast enough, or whether the stab makers have been forced to write algorithms that limit the reactivity of the fins. With a hydrualic system you use a pressure reservoir to allow for "instant" demand and this provides a couple of seconds of "cover" for the genset to torque up

Funnily enough, Mr.Cappiello (the CMC founder and technical mastermind) rang me today to follow up on my first contact, so I had the opportunity to check your doubt directly with him.
Firstly, he told me that the 7kW requirement which the other person gave me as nominal absorption, with possible peaks of 1.6/1.7 times that value, actually is already the PEAK absorption, for an SL72.
This alone puts the potential issue in perspective, because a 7kW peak for say a 20kW genny is no big deal.
Besides, he explained me that their electric motor controllers include some sort of sophisticated condensers, which can instantly take care of the sudden higher demand, "waiting" for the diesel governor of the genset to respond (which nowadays is pretty fast anyhow, in modern gensets).
As a result, if compared to hydraulic systems, the reactivity is even higher, and also faster - up to 80 degrees per second.
Another thing worth mentioning is that actually 70 footer are among the smaller boats they work on, having equipped up to 49m ships with their electric stabs...!

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Geoid96, i and several others on here would be interested to hear how you find TZ, after you've got used to it. I looked hard at it and thought it was seriously clever stuff. The two-fingered actions were nice (pinch to zoom etc) and the graphics look fantastic. Plus, the black glass look of the unit is very nice too. I only didn't buy it becuase Furnuno (then) would display fuel and engine data, and I knew a while ago that Garmin were also introducing 2-fingered touch functions too, plus a rotokey/iDrive device that will go on the arm of the helm seat. I'd be very interested to hear how you get on

From the Miami boat show, this is the Garmin controller:

And here's a terrible photo of the big glass screen:

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Portofino]

Hi JFM,
Like others I have following the build and reasoning behind the decisions that you kindly share with us.
It's looking really great now , finish soon coming -
Flagging/ registration? - and --" -- Mansion tax" AKA wealth tax ? May morph into boat tax ( French or UK)
Next election here is 2015 ,we may end up with a different coalition?
and we seem to be in a lost decade economy wise .France I understand -
should be member if the PIGS .They seem to have allready embarked on the wealth tax route .
When M2 is finished have you thought of somehow future proofing agianst - call it mitigating - any wealth tax? By way of registering the boat in an entity whereby the true owner (s) remain anonymous .
I think once on uk Part 1 , you have allready stuck your head above the parapet .Any subsequent " rapid removal" could be seem as avoidance measures ,and there could be some uncomfortable questions ?
At the minute M2 does not exist .

 

[jfm]

Hi JFM,
Like others I have following the build and reasoning behind the decisions that you kindly share with us.
It's looking really great now , finish soon coming -
Flagging/ registration? - and --" -- Mansion tax" AKA wealth tax ? May morph into boat tax ( French or UK)
Next election here is 2015 ,we may end up with a different coalition?
and we seem to be in a lost decade economy wise .France I understand -
should be member if the PIGS .They seem to have allready embarked on the wealth tax route .
When M2 is finished have you thought of somehow future proofing agianst - call it mitigating - any wealth tax? By way of registering the boat in an entity whereby the true owner (s) remain anonymous .
I think once on uk Part 1 , you have allready stuck your head above the parapet .Any subsequent " rapid removal" could be seem as avoidance measures ,and there could be some uncomfortable questions ?
At the minute M2 does not exist .

Hi Portofino
Your post has a flavour of "doctors and dentists" tax planning . Phrases like "it doesn't exist" reminds me of the cackhanded stuff that Jimmy Carr and others buy from low grade tax "advice" firms. Nah, I would never do tax "planning" that relies for its "success" in remaining anonymous or hiding things (actually i just pay the 50% on all income and earnings, like the large majority in the 50% tax bracket do, despite what you read in the press. Jimmy Carr, the dimwit, is very much the exception not the rule)

I plan to register on part1, though I don't agree your parapet analogy. Imho, it will be several/many years before UK introduces a wealth tax, ie not in any medium term future. France already has a wealth tax, and for non residents it only catches French situs assets, eg yer house in St Tropez. If they extend it to boats physically located in France, I'll take stock then, ie either pay or relocate the boat. There are plenty other countries in the Med to berth it, which of course is why the French don't impose that tax in the first place - even PIGS realise you cannot collect taxes from non residents based on mobile assets .

 

[jfm]

From the Miami boat show, this is the Garmin controller:

And here's a terrible photo of the big glass screen:

Cheers
Jimmy

Thanks Jimmy. The "iDrive" is quite big - I need to get one physical then see about attaching it to a helm chair armrest...
A few more pics are below. The first 2 were taken by EME at Miami show, showing the screen flush mounted. The 3rd pic is from Garmin's website, showing the mounting frame (which is what I'll use on Match2 because CNC cutting a perfect hole in the dash for the true flush mount ain't feasible). The 4th pic is also from Garmin's website and shows the new small instruments that weren't on show in miami - multi display on the left and a/pilot control on the right, i think. Even before you get onto functionality, this is surely the best looking gear on the market right now

 

[benjenbav]

Those screens really look like they've been designed in the iPad era rather than something knocked together by enthusiasts with the resources of Maplins' bargain bin special offers at their disposal. The first time for marine navigation gear, I believe.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Those screens really look like they've been designed in the iPad era rather than something knocked together by enthusiasts with the resources of Maplins' bargain bin special offers at their disposal. The first time for marine navigation gear, I believe.

Yep, the two big screens flush-mounted with a separate controller (and also a separate chip reader) looked very nice on the Garmin display. In the interests of editorial balance, it should also be mentioned that Raymarine's new autopilot offering looks interesting - no more separate course computer or fluxgate compass, just a single a/p head, and (if needed) a drive controller.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[jfm]

Those screens really look like they've been designed in the iPad era rather than something knocked together by enthusiasts with the resources of Maplins' bargain bin special offers at their disposal. The first time for marine navigation gear, I believe.

Agreed, except the new Raym replacement for G series, called Gs, announced same day, is equally good looking and similarly feature packed. http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=6862

At least, the big screens (rebadged hatteland) are equally good looking: alas when it comes to the smaller 110mm square instrument displays the Garmins are much better looking than the Raymarines, which have gone a little bit wrong with their pin cushion shape, imho. No big deal tho

The Garmins big screens are brighter than the Raymarine's and have the best dimming of all - they go from 0.5 to 1200 nits. I think, but Toby can confirm, the Hatteland Raymarines go from 1 to 1000

Overall, if you are starting from scratch, it's a close call between Raym and Garmin and down to personal detail preferences I think. It's nice to see such a big refresh of all these products though. Also Garmin have dropped all their prices of 7000 series, by around $1000 per unit

 

[taz]

Not said much about the thread so far but have been reading with much interest. The boat looks fab, jfm.

 

[benjenbav]

Those Raymarines are very nice too. You do tend to get driven down one manufacturer's line though, once you start. (Well apart from the fact that I know you switched a boat or so ago from Raymarine to Garmin.) I think I've consistently bought Garmin gear since a handheld plotter I bought in 2002 and that's mostly owing to familiarity with their operation.

In fact I'm just about to install my first digital radar which will be Garmin purely because I can just plug and play. I think I'll miss the submarine commander feel of the analogue unit and its green glow. Maybe it'll be a bit like changing from vinyl records. (Actually, maybe it won't: I just took my vinyl album collection straight to the tip and never regretted it.)

 

[jfm]

Not said much about the thread so far but have been reading with much interest. The boat looks fab, jfm.

I'll update ref the boat this weekend Taz. Factory visit tomorrow