Yoeri
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Lovely fly dash John!! Superb looking!
Already looking forward to the next serie of pics!
Yoeri
Already looking forward to the next serie of pics!
Yoeri
Boat in build pics (2013 Fairline Squadron 78)
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Wot, no Lumishore lights along the sides of the hull? Still, Match 2 is going to be seen from outer space with 6 of those babies on the transom
Lozzer
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JFM
CAT control panel. I cant remember the run of the exhausts, will this impede in anyway. If I had my controls there it would be difficult to see.
on the side of the engine is a pain. I had to have valve clearances done on last service, took engine an hour to dismantle and put back together!
Could you put them on the forward bulkhead?
CAT control panel. I cant remember the run of the exhausts, will this impede in anyway. If I had my controls there it would be difficult to see.
on the side of the engine is a pain. I had to have valve clearances done on last service, took engine an hour to dismantle and put back together!
Could you put them on the forward bulkhead?
John100156
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To add to what has previously been said, whilst it's rare that you/an engineer might need to access the panel whilst underway, the hot surfaces in close proximity and climbing over the gearbox might also be an issue. Will there be a small access platform over them?
BartW
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BartW
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Here is first pic i have of the white deck. Looks ok to me...! I hop to have shots of the side decks and bigger areas of deck next week
the reason why I don't like white deck, is that it often looks yellow-isch or beige, (when I saw it used inside)
which is actually not the case here above, this example looks good,
but I'm not sure if the colour in the pic / my PC screen are correct.
Thats why I would choose a more grey-ish caulk colour
(very personal stuff, I know)
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petem
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JFM's done that already LOL!
jfm
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Not through choice BartW, ;D, but it is better to know this stuff and be able to fix it on a cruise, than spoil a holiday due to having a defective black system. I have spent quite a bit of time thinking/discussing with Fairline the new black tank system that is going into this boat. I'll report back next season it if works the way I wanted... When I get some time I'll make a post on it with some drawingsshoit disposal in boats is becoming your specialist subjet
the black tank, is it made from Stainless steel or some synthetic/plastic material ?
(I'm considering lowering part of the Util / engineroom floor in BA; for that I have to replace the blacktank, which is old and rusty anyway.)
The black tanks (this boat will have 2; a standard Sq78 has 3, but same total volume) are all plastic. This is the only material I'd ever spec. A metal tank incl stainless steel is always going to be a time bomb. It may last a few years but good luck to anyone who can predict when that weld will split. If you are replacing BA's tank then you gotta use plastic IMHO. You can use the rotomoulded plastic tanks if you have the doorway width etc to get one in, or if necessary you can mould in GRP using thick wall and special gelcoat. But it's gotta be non metallic, in my books
jfm
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Hmmm, I did think about that and it's a bit of a compromise (as ever with these things). The turbos have water jackets and the exhausts are lagged heavily, so the radiant heat problem you might think exists isn't that bad. The high temp these things suffer is mostly sitting for 12 hours in 80deg ambient air after the engines have switched off, which is something they have to endure regardless of location. But as several posters say there will be some radiant heat from the exhausts. The things aren't mission critical/expensive anyway, and the bracket is a Cat part, so warranted
The compromising here involves weighing up lots of things:
(a) when located on the inboard sides of the engines, the std position, they face each other only about 300mm apart, due to the Cat C32 ACERT being wider than the previous C32. You cannot actually get your head square in front of the screens to look at them, so they become pointless.
(b) I can't fit them on the aft bulkhead. Just no way.
(c) they will fit on the forward bulkhead, but you have to lean over the engines a lot to see them.
(d) that leaves above the gearboxes, where the space is nice and going spare, and not badly obscured Lozzer by the exhaust risers, but compromisy in terms of radiant heat from exh, and also engine vibration (as thought by MapisM) though there are zillions of C32s incl Match1 that have them engine mounted with no apparent vibration problems
I always have the plan B (after delivery) if needed, to have custom brackets made and hang them from the ceiling
Thnaks for the observations. I think though I'll have to put this in the "what the hell, they're not mission critical" box, due to having to deal with more important things
jfm
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Very nice ER Bart. Only niggles are chequer plate (pet hate of mine) and 230volt fans. Particularly nice exhausts (apart from the awful hangers...) and ceiling finish. MCY76?
MAN need to buy some white paint that doesn't turn pinky beige on the delivery trip. Amazing they haven't sussed this simple point. Can't be hard - my Cats stayed white for >250 hours
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jfm
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I'm not following your thinking John. There is no need to climb over the gearboxes- you can read the Cat screens and push the Cat switches while standing aft of the gearox or on the corridor between the engines. Hard to describe clearly; easy to see if you're on the boat!
jfm
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Wot, no Lumishore lights along the sides of the hull? Still, Match 2 is going to be seen from outer space with 6 of those babies on the transom
I dont like uwl units that you fit in a 70mm hole in the hull, which restricts me to the mushroom style with 25mm hole and a big head. Like in pics above. Then, I don't fancy these sticking out down the sides. So, much as i like the look of uw light along the sides, I have decided again to stick with transom lights only. As you say, still nicely visible from outer space. These lights are pre production advance units from Lumi's 2014 intended range, or something along those lines, and are seriously powerful I'm told. Pics to follow
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I bet Searush can't wait
jfm
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I bet Searush can't wait
Here are a few more pics from factory today. Bit techy, not very glam, sorry
The three pics below show lots of plumbing and wiring installed since a couple of days ago, plus the window holes cut. There is quite a lot of progress each day becuase the time line on this "stage one" is to get all bilge level services in, all tanks, stabs, hydraulics, 3x internal liner mouldings, both engines and gensets in, all windows, all teak, and the deck mould stuck on, during the next 3 weeks or so. There is a team working on the hull and another on the deck. 1st pic is e/room, 2nd is main accomm, 3rd is crew/utility space. In 2nd pic you can see a Sleipner stabiliser actuator a bit hidden behind the crane hook.
Here is the main internal moulding (cabin floors, sides, showers all visible) with all the cut outs done
These are the new Bennett BXT all stainless trim tabs. I wasn't 100% happy with the plastic componentry on Match1's, and MapisM was very unhappy
)) so I looked at various stuff by Phoenix and others, but we decided this new gear from Bennett was best choice. All stainless (others had mixed metals eg in bushings = electrolysis), no external hoses, integral position sensors n2K connectable, auto retract on engine shutdown, and nice smooth metal shapes. Quite expensive gear though. The left hand cyl is not attached to the transom, btw; it's just resting there
The swim platform mechanism, by HB Technics, identical with BartW's and Match1's, is installed, below. This kit is proper heavy duty stuff and worked really well on Match1 so I'm glad to have the same gear on Match2. BartW, I'm guessing yours is working 100% perfectly too?
More next week I think
MapisM
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Ah, but!
With AC motor fans, you could keep them on for as long as necessary after turning off the engines, thus avoiding to turn the e/r into a sauna, and without keeping awake everybody with the awful noise of DC fans.
I understand that those C32s are massive, but geez,12hrs at 80°...?!?
MapisM
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LOL, told 'ya...These are the new Bennett BXT all stainless trim tabs.
I wasn't 100% happy with the plastic componentry on Match1's, and MapisM was very unhappy
Actually, it's also the brand overall which I considered not up to the level of Match.
But that's also because I've been spoiled when I got used to Mercury Racing K-planes, in comparison to which Bennet products look like toys.
Otoh, obviously those aren't available for such big boats.
Must say that this new s/s stuff looks the biz, though.
jfm
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Yep, true, point taken. But thing is, once engines are shut down, e/r just sits at 80deg and slowly cools, which is ok isn't it? I mean there is no rush to get it down to 30deg, like 80deg is a bad thing, is there?
Do you happen to know mapisM if most IT boats with AC fans have big enough inverters to drive tmem,or MUST the genset be used? TCM's Leopard 23M didn't have enough inverter so he had to run one genset. I'd hate that. I'm not sure what is normal however in the 25m segment
I understand that those C32s are massive, but geez,12hrs at 80°...?!?
Well I dont know the shape of the curve - that was a bit of an off-the-cuff comment!. It's certainly ambient +20deg after 12 hours, but I dont know the curve. In the e/r there is about 8 tonnes of engine (one tonne/7 litres of gensets and 7 tonnes/64 litres of main engines) which is a lot of cast iron to cool down. There's also 6 tonnes of fuel if e/r tanks are full. The fuel isn't 80deg, cos the Cats have returned fuel coolers, but remember the fuel has 4x the specific heat capacity of cast iron. That helps in the first couple of hours, when the engines are 80deg, to cool the e/room faster (faster than if there were no fuel in there, I mean) but once say the fuel and the engines are both down to 50 degrees it takes many hours to lose the remaining heat energy, particularly out of the fuel.
MapisM
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I wouldn't say that there's such thing as a standard practice at this size, in my experience.
I've actually seen it all - DC fans, AC fans which could be run out of inverters, and also boats with very small inverters, aimed to just keep a fridge running at night with no genset - thus requiring the genset for AC fans and any other stuff.
25m/80ft is probably a borderline segment in this respect, also because many builders are willing to customise, if the buyer has specific requirements for these equipments.
But I fully agree that AC fans requiring the genset are a PITA.
Keeping the genset running at all time also while cruising is a nonsense, unless a boat has so many stuff onboard to require AC 24/7 anyway - as is normal with much bigger boats.
rafiki_
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Hmmm, I did think about that and it's a bit of a compromise (as ever with these things). The turbos have water jackets and the exhausts are lagged heavily, so the radiant heat problem you might think exists isn't that bad. The high temp these things suffer is mostly sitting for 12 hours in 80deg ambient air after the engines have switched off, which is something they have to endure regardless of location. But as several posters say there will be some radiant heat from the exhausts. The things aren't mission critical/expensive anyway, and the bracket is a Cat part, so warranted
The compromising here involves weighing up lots of things:
(a) when located on the inboard sides of the engines, the std position, they face each other only about 300mm apart, due to the Cat C32 ACERT being wider than the previous C32. You cannot actually get your head square in front of the screens to look at them, so they become pointless.
(b) I can't fit them on the aft bulkhead. Just no way.
(c) they will fit on the forward bulkhead, but you have to lean over the engines a lot to see them.
(d) that leaves above the gearboxes, where the space is nice and going spare, and not badly obscured Lozzer by the exhaust risers, but compromisy in terms of radiant heat from exh, and also engine vibration (as thought by MapisM) though there are zillions of C32s incl Match1 that have them engine mounted with no apparent vibration problems
I always have the plan B (after delivery) if needed, to have custom brackets made and hang them from the ceiling
Thnaks for the observations. I think though I'll have to put this in the "what the hell, they're not mission critical" box, due to having to deal with more important things
There are some good heat shield solutions out there. I can make some enquiries if you ping me some more detail.
Whopper
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Let’s not get too technical here, but the hot ambient temperature in the engine room is handy for warming a bottle (or so) of red on a cool night...Not that this is a concern in the south of France! 
