Boat delivery

[obmij]

I don't know all of the details but I suspect that on a different day the verdict may have been different, especially with regards to his friend. I also suspect that they didn't have great representation, if any. They were jobbing for £100 and high court liability trials are ruinously expensive so I doubt they had a phalanx of marine lawyers on their side whereas the other side probably did.

What it does show is that shit rolls downhill. No matter if the instruments were goosed, or if they had had sufficient time to familiarise themselves with the vessel & systems, if if the weather was unfavourable and they had been told to 'just get it there'..when things go wrong no-one is your mate and that handshake means nothing.

Another frequently used expression - things are OK until they're not. A decision you make 100 times for practical and reasonable purposes with no adverse effects suddenly looks like absolute negligence when things go wrong.

Maybe this isn't appropriate for the OP - but I would advise anyone involved in the marine industry in whatever capacity to have someone watch their back. I personally am a member of Nautilus.

 

[obmij]

£2 per nm at 6kts is £12 per hour. That's below the National Living Wage

The other problem in the UK is a minimum of 20% tax to pay on that too.

Indeed. You could make more stacking shelves in Tescos..

But on the other hand, being at sea in a yacht is great and an adventure & UK wage requirements do not apply. I know where I would rather be.

Interestingly, minimum wage requirements don't always apply in our home waters either. Last time I looked the Filipino crew on the Pride of Hull / Rotterdam were on around 4 quid an hour!

 

[Pye_End]

I don't know all of the details but I suspect that on a different day the verdict may have been different, especially with regards to his friend.

There was considerable discussion about the incident at the time. Discussions now on whether boat owners find it a fair legal decision is fairly irrelevant - the learning from the story is from the outcome.

As far as I recall, the message from it was something like: 'if you get paid (even expenses I think) then you are considered on a professional job, and thus it is highly desirable to have your own insurance to cover such an risk'.

The boat insurance, and skipper actions, may well take the first hit, but equally actions of the crew also have a responsibility - the actions of which probably never look the same in court as they feel at the time. We all do stupid things occasionally, especially when tired.

 

[wonkywinch]

So if I wanted to pursue a career as a delivery captain I have to get a Yachtmaster license?

As said, not necessarily. For the UK, the RYA list which tickets you can commercially endorse.

Gaining commercial endorsements

You'll also need valid First Aid and a Medical (ENG1 or ML5) etc, details on that page.

 

[kingsebi]

As said, not necessarily. For the UK, the RYA list which tickets you can commercially endorse.

Gaining commercial endorsements

You'll also need valid First Aid and a Medical (ENG1 or ML5) etc, details on that page.

Thank you

 

[DangerousPirate]

£2 per nm at 6kts is £12 per hour. That's below the National Living Wage

The other problem in the UK is a minimum of 20% tax to pay on that too.

Is it, though? You forget that you get paid for 24 hours instead of 8.

It's £97.68 a day as a minimum wage worker.
But it's 144 nm × £2 = £288 in 24 hours, so twice as much.

3 nm/hour × 24 hours = 72 nautical miles
72 nm × £2 = £144 total for 24 hours (for 3 knots average)

 

[footsoldier]

I doubt that many people do yacht deliveries for the potential financial rewards!

If I look back at the guys I worked with at various times on deliveries there were many whose entire life was contained in a single Gill kit bag; some were 'mile-building' for whatever reason, some were 'running away to sea' to escape something, some were simply happier on the move at sea rather than confined on land and many others, like me, were grabbing the opportunity to sail a huge variety of boats in widely different locations without the faff of ownership.

 

[DangerousPirate]

I doubt that many people do yacht deliveries for the potential financial rewards!

If I look back at the guys I worked with at various times on deliveries there were many whose entire life was contained in a single Gill kit bag; some were 'mile-building' for whatever reason, some were 'running away to sea' to escape something, some were simply happier on the move at sea rather than confined on land and many others, like me, were grabbing the opportunity to sail a huge variety of boats in widely different locations without the faff of ownership.

Exactly. People always shy away from jobs because they're too focused on the money. Thinking it's not paid well enough!

But the truth is: some jobs are not about the money. As long as you can sleep dry and warm and have food, you're good!

Just because you're not getting rich doing it, doesn't mean it's not fun worthwile!

 

[capnsensible]

Exactly. People always shy away from jobs because they're too focused on the money. Thinking it's not paid well enough!

But the truth is: some jobs are not about the money. As long as you can sleep dry and warm and have food, you're good!

Just because you're not getting rich doing it, doesn't mean it's not fun worthwile!

Indeed. 20 something years as a sailing instructor and delivery skipper only started to pay well when Mrs S and I set up our own Recognised Training Centre.

Sail/ motor + moolah. Hurrah.

However, those on this thread laying insurance mines for one delivery are actually just scrathing the surface!