Boat delivery

[veshengro]

The more I think about it the more I agree.

Personally, I wouldn't just rule the whole project a no go, it's just that combined with what I thought were questionable comments, is the fact that on arrival you will find yourself in his land. If you speak fluent Greek fine, if not, any disputes between the yacht owner and authorities about the boat, your payment if you haven't already been paid etc: will all be difficult for you to follow.

I'm not saying don't do it, sometimes adventures are missed by being too careful, but a little background checking might prevent unexpected problems later.

 

[kingsebi]

Personally, I wouldn't just rule the whole project a no go, it's just that combined with what I thought were questionable comments, is the fact that on arrival you will find yourself in his land. If you speak fluent Greek fine, if not, any disputes between the yacht owner and authorities about the boat, your payment if you haven't already been paid etc: will all be difficult for you to follow.

I'm not saying don't do it, sometimes adventures are missed by being too careful, but a little background checking might prevent unexpected problems later.

I don’t speak fluent Greek. The owner is a costumer of my mechanic friend. I trust my friend who says I can trust his client. Anyways if this really works out I will prepare a document that states that he is the skipper and responsible.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

The owner is Greek so I suppose the boat as well.

Fixed fee or daily rate is another thing I will have to think about. Thank you.

You are right. If he’s less experienced he will be looking at me. Still it’s his boat so that would be a strange situation.

What is a professional delivery captain anyways? I did a delivery last year and got paid for it so technically that would make me a professional - at the start of my „career“?

Beware of Greeks, bearing gifts or otherwise.

 

[Davy_S]

(The owner is a costumer of my mechanic friend.)

are we allowed to ask what sort of a costume he will be wearing?

 

[kingsebi]

(The owner is a costumer of my mechanic friend.)

are we allowed to ask what sort of a costume he will be wearing?

Captain maybe? Thank you for helping me to improve my spelling

 

[Lucky Duck]

Are there no facilities to commission new yachts in Greece?

 

[DangerousPirate]

I don't know how much you can charge, that's up to you. But people charge 2 pounds per nautical mile. I keep hearing that at least. But it's a long trip. 2500 nautical miles or so? 3 weeks at sea? I'd ask for 2 gbp per nautical mile + flights + provisions.

 

[DangerousPirate]

Are there no facilities to commission new yachts in Greece?

Just because they build cars in France, doesn't mean you wouldn't like a german car. I think it's the same with boats.

 

[capnsensible]

I don't think there is much naysaying going on. Most seem to be broadly supportive - nevertheless it pays to be sensible, Captain.

A situation where they turn up in La Rochelle, the owner looking for guidance from the professional he has hired for £5k and the crew looking to the owner for expertise would be 'difficult'

It might be that the owner is a competent and experienced sailor in which case it sounds like a great trip!

Sounds like it to me. But there again I've done loadsa deliveries as a qualified skipper so I may be seeing things from a different point of view.

 

[capnsensible]

I don’t speak fluent Greek. The owner is a costumer of my mechanic friend. I trust my friend who says I can trust his client. Anyways if this really works out I will prepare a document that states that he is the skipper and responsible.

Don't worry, I've delivered boats to all sorts of countries where I don't speak the language, like Croatia, Greece, Italy, Scotland and Newcastle.

Oh and just to gob off, Tahiti where they speak French.

 

[DangerousPirate]

I don’t speak fluent Greek. The owner is a costumer of my mechanic friend. I trust my friend who says I can trust his client. Anyways if this really works out I will prepare a document that states that he is the skipper and responsible.

Believe me when I tell you: In athens and most parts of greece, people speak fluent english. Best english in all of europe, including some places in the UK.

You can ask them to keep the conversation in english so taht you can follow it.

 

[kingsebi]

Believe me when I tell you: In athens and most parts of greece, people speak fluent english. Best english in all of europe, including some places in the UK.

You can ask them to keep the conversation in english so taht you can follow it.

I agree. Young people speak well English. And everyone who lives from tourism has a basic understanding and that is one out of five persons in Greece.

 

[kingsebi]

Just because they build cars in France, doesn't mean you wouldn't like a german car. I think it's the same with boats.

I don’t think there is a Greek make of pleasure yachts. Does anyone know? I thought they build big ships though. But then Piraeus is owned by the Chinese.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I am still struggling as to why someone would pay an unqualified, uncertificated person professional rates of payment to accompany him on a dubious voyage. If you are paying those rates why not get someone with a proven track record. Of course the answer is the guy will want to do it on the cheap.

 

[Lucky Duck]

Just because they build cars in France, doesn't mean you wouldn't like a german car. I think it's the same with boats.

It’s quite likely your Maxi wasn’t sailed back from Visby in Sweden but came on the back of a lorry and then commissioned in the UK.

Bearing in mind the OP’s proposed changes plus costs associated with the itinerary I wonder if would be cheaper to simply transport it by road to Greece or at least to the French Mediterranean coast.

 

[DangerousPirate]

I agree. Young people speak well English. And everyone who lives from tourism has a basic understanding and that is one out of five persons in Greece.

The old people in most places, too. That's why I mean with good english. It's so good, I once told a letting agency that I don#t believe them, when they told me the landlord doesn't speak english so I'd have to deal through them instead of talking to the landlord directly.

I don’t think there is a Greek make of pleasure yachts. Does anyone know? I thought they build big ships though. But then Piraeus is owned by the Chinese.

I don't know, but greece has a rich marine history, I am sure they'll have their own boats still. A quick google research revealed a couple brands like Olympic and Poseidon, but not sure what type of boats they make. Leisure craft, ribs and fishing boats.

I am still struggling as to why someone would pay an unqualified, uncertificated person professional rates of payment to accompany him on a dubious voyage. If you are paying those rates why not get someone with a proven track record. Of course the answer is the guy will want to do it on the cheap.

I don't know, but I know I have been paid before, just not for such long distances. I sailed a boat from Amsterdam to Felixstowe once and I delivered a boat from a small boatyard in the clyde in scotland to chatham. Me personally, I'd hire only certified people, too, but I guess some people just think it's cheaper. I remember organising a few skippers for boat deliveries for someone else, and they were asking really high and almost ridiculous prices.

Someone said he'll sail a boat with his mate from Split to Venice (250nautical miles) for 4k each plus flights and provisions from the UK.. It wasn't my money so I just went back and forth over details with them and then send it forward, the owner of the boat paid it (big in money that dude), but I just assume that you get quotes that tall all the time.

It’s quite likely your Maxi wasn’t sailed back from Visby in Sweden but came on the back of a lorry and then commissioned in the UK.

Bearing in mind the OP’s proposed changes plus costs associated with the itinerary I wonder if would be cheaper to simply transport it by road to Greece or at least to the French Mediterranean coast.

Maybe he just wanted to go and sail it with someone who knows what he's doing without paying highly professional prices? I am assuming he doesn't know that a certified skipper asks for the same qualifications.

 

[kingsebi]

I am still struggling as to why someone would pay an unqualified, uncertificated person professional rates of payment to accompany him on a dubious voyage. If you are paying those rates why not get someone with a proven track record. Of course the answer is the guy will want to do it on the cheap.

Me too.

 

[kingsebi]

The old people in most places, too. That's why I mean with good english. It's so good, I once told a letting agency that I don#t believe them, when they told me the landlord doesn't speak english so I'd have to deal through them instead of talking to the landlord directly.

I don't know, but greece has a rich marine history, I am sure they'll have their own boats still. A quick google research revealed a couple brands like Olympic and Poseidon, but not sure what type of boats they make. Leisure craft, ribs and fishing boats.

I don't know, but I know I have been paid before, just not for such long distances. I sailed a boat from Amsterdam to Felixstowe once and I delivered a boat from a small boatyard in the clyde in scotland to chatham. Me personally, I'd hire only certified people, too, but I guess some people just think it's cheaper. I remember organising a few skippers for boat deliveries for someone else, and they were asking really high and almost ridiculous prices.

Someone said he'll sail a boat with his mate from Split to Venice (250nautical miles) for 4k each plus flights and provisions from the UK.. It wasn't my money so I just went back and forth over details with them and then send it forward, the owner of the boat paid it (big in money that dude), but I just assume that you get quotes that tall all the time.

Maybe he just wanted to go and sail it with someone who knows what he's doing without paying highly professional prices? I am assuming he doesn't know that a certified skipper asks for the same qualifications.

I think it’s because my friend recommended me and he trusts my friend.

 

[kingsebi]

It’s quite likely your Maxi wasn’t sailed back from Visby in Sweden but came on the back of a lorry and then commissioned in the UK.

Bearing in mind the OP’s proposed changes plus costs associated with the itinerary I wonder if would be cheaper to simply transport it by road to Greece or at least to the French Mediterranean coast.

Maybe he wants to go on an adventure too. Anyways I didn’t hear back from the owner as of yet so maybe finally he decided for road transport.

 

[Tranona]

Are there no facilities to commission new yachts in Greece?

Not really. The problem with Greece is that it is very difficult and expensive to transport big boats like a Bene 50 there by road. The most common route for French built boats is to commi9ssion in the SOF and island hop to the Ionian and do the Greek import stuff there. Alternatively Italy and then across the Adriatic. From Germany usual is road to Slovenia commission there and sail down to Greece. My Bavaria was commissioned in Izola in Slovenia and sailed by a delivery crew to Corfu. Bigger boats are often transported by ship across the Med - there is a regular service to Athens.