Boat delivery

[Beneteau381]

The owner is Greek so I suppose the boat as well.

Fixed fee or daily rate is another thing I will have to think about. Thank you.

You are right. If he’s less experienced he will be looking at me. Still it’s his boat so that would be a strange situation.

What is a professional delivery captain anyways? I did a delivery last year and got paid for it so technically that would make me a professional - at the start of my „career“?

I helped someone out with a delivery. Contacted his insurance and explained mine and bride qualifications. Just us two on board. As long as no money changes hands, insurance covered us.
If you do it for overt money and you are on the record here, then you need third party liability insurance.
A can of worms, think about it

 

[Beneteau381]

So if I wanted to pursue a career as a delivery captain I have to get a Yachtmaster license?

Not necessarily.

 

[Cerebus]

Too many pages for me to read; apologies for any repetition.

2 people for such a distance AND assuming no incidents? Need at least three in my opinion. At least. 2 hours on and 4? off is what I remember for three souls.

Non stop can become very tiring and boring.

If being paid don’t you need a fair few qualifications and liability insurance? MCA compliance? Possibility not.

Most crew for companies are paid travel expenses only in my day (alot of years ago). The skipper made more.

If helping a mate and no money involved and stopping en-route possibly do-able.

Sailing should be fun.

My experience of deliveries is that they are far from fun (working as crew for a company that does not care about sailors).

If only two up, imagine skipper is injured. Radio, first aid kit, plans for bolt holes needed and your own skill to sail alone for a long time and look after an injured sailor.

With five pages of advice O am sure you will plan it out well and enjoy the voyage.

 

[kingsebi]

I helped someone out with a delivery. Contacted his insurance and explained mine and bride qualifications. Just us two on board. As long as no money changes hands, insurance covered us.
If you do it for overt money and you are on the record here, then you need third party liability insurance.
A can of worms, think about it

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[DangerousPirate]

Not necessarily.

But he surely should go for it as it's definitely helping a lot.

Also read Thomas Kretschmer books. He's a professional yacht delivery skipper and wrote very interesting books about it.

 

[obmij]

I helped someone out with a delivery. Contacted his insurance and explained mine and bride qualifications. Just us two on board. As long as no money changes hands, insurance covered us.
If you do it for overt money and you are on the record here, then you need third party liability insurance.
A can of worms, think about it

Insurance / liability is a difficult one. But I don't believe that is strictly true.

If our friend is employed as crew then he should be covered by the vessel insurance - and it is the responsibility of the owner / master to check he is suitably qualified and experienced for the required work. If he is paid crew it's a requirement to have an SEA which states in clear terms what his duties are and how the shipowner (yacht owner) is responsible for him.

What is important is to clarify his status. Is he a professional skipper taking responsibility for the safe delivery of a new vessel and working on his own account for a number of clients - obviously insurance is needed here (which he wouldn't get)

If he is paid crew then a different kettle of fish. The responsibility lies with the vessel - otherwise all employed crew would require liability insurance.

 

[kingsebi]

Insurance / liability is a difficult one. But I don't believe that is strictly true.

If our friend is employed as crew then he should be covered by the vessel insurance - and it is the responsibility of the owner / master to check he is suitably qualified and experienced for the required work. If he is paid crew it's a requirement to have an SEA which states in clear terms what his duties are and how the shipowner (yacht owner) is responsible for him.

What is important is to clarify his status. Is he a professional skipper taking responsibility for the safe delivery of a new vessel and working on his own account for a number of clients - obviously insurance is needed here (which he wouldn't get)

If he is paid crew then a different kettle of fish. The responsibility lies with the vessel - otherwise all employed crew would require liability insurance.

That was my understanding as well.

 

[ylop]

If he is paid crew then a different kettle of fish. The responsibility lies with the vessel - otherwise all employed crew would require liability insurance.

But without checking my insurance policy I would be surprised if it (as a typical leisure policy) covered me for paid crew. So the responsibility may rest with the owner to arrange that insurance, but ordinary leisure cover may not be enough.

 

[Beneteau381]

Insurance / liability is a difficult one. But I don't believe that is strictly true.

If our friend is employed as crew then he should be covered by the vessel insurance - and it is the responsibility of the owner / master to check he is suitably qualified and experienced for the required work. If he is paid crew it's a requirement to have an SEA which states in clear terms what his duties are and how the shipowner (yacht owner) is responsible for him.

What is important is to clarify his status. Is he a professional skipper taking responsibility for the safe delivery of a new vessel and working on his own account for a number of clients - obviously insurance is needed here (which he wouldn't get)

If he is paid crew then a different kettle of fish. The responsibility lies with the vessel - otherwise all employed crew would require liability insurance.

Good points but i was pointing out our particular trip ALONE as delivery crew.

 

[Beneteau381]

But without checking my insurance policy I would be surprised if it (as a typical leisure policy) covered me for paid crew. So the responsibility may rest with the owner to arrange that insurance, but ordinary leisure cover may not be enough.

My friends insurance was more than happy to cover us as delivery crew ALONE as long as we werent paid. I also had a letter of permission off the owner

 

[Cerebus]

My friends insurance was more than happy to cover us as delivery crew ALONE as long as we werent paid. I also had a letter of permission off the owner

“weren’t paid”

Key words. If I understand it, the OP is to be paid. Quite a bit more to his adventure than he may realise. At least he is conducting some due diligence.

 

[Pye_End]

That sinking feeling leaves sailors with £250,000 bill

 

[kingsebi]

“weren’t paid”

Key words. If I understand it, the OP is to be paid. Quite a bit more to his adventure than he may realise. At least he is conducting some due diligence.

If it works out I will make sure that I am crew and the owner is skipper and responsible. And have it written down.

 

[Cerebus]

If it works out I will make sure that I am crew and the owner is skipper and responsible. And have it written dow

If it works out I will make sure that I am crew and the owner is skipper and responsible. And have it written down.

You probably know this:

there have been alot of posts elsewhere about first aid kits and devices for emergency: flares, radio, emergency aerial, liferafts… (survival suits not mentioned but are cheap on ebay and lifesavers … the GoreTex kind that pack small).

Pack you Sunhat!

 

[Cerebus]

This may not apply to you at all but there was a long thread about “out of comfort zone” and I started a new one about my first ever delivery when I knew little here:

Out of comfort zone

 

[Wansworth]

That sinking feeling leaves sailors with £250,000 bill

Indeed a cautionary account

 

[DangerousPirate]

That sinking feeling leaves sailors with £250,000 bill

For 100 pounds?? But honestly not sure how they can rule it's their negligence when the instruments failed (on a brand new boat??). Dodgy story.

 

[ylop]

For 100 pounds?? But honestly not sure how they can rule it's their negligence when the instruments failed (on a brand new boat??). Dodgy story.

Presumably something like the judge didn’t think 18 knots in the dark with no instruments was the actions of a prudent sailor? Or since they hit a bouy which was large enough to sink the boat, it was presumably lit, and the helm was not keeping a proper lookout?

The thing that surprised me was that the person contracted to deliver the boat was not the main loser but rather the crewman he subcontracted who was on the helm.

 

[DangerousPirate]

Presumably something like the judge didn’t think 18 knots in the dark with no instruments was the actions of a prudent sailor? Or since they hit a bouy which was large enough to sink the boat, it was presumably lit, and the helm was not keeping a proper lookout?

The thing that surprised me was that the person contracted to deliver the boat was not the main loser but rather the crewman he subcontracted who was on the helm.

I mean, fair points but we still don#t have all the information here. How could you hit a well lit buoy? If they managed to do that, then yeah, fair enough to get the bill. But that just seems improbable.

 

[wonkywinch]

I don't know how much you can charge, that's up to you. But people charge 2 pounds per nautical mile. I keep hearing that at least.

£2 per nm at 6kts is £12 per hour. That's below the National Living Wage

The other problem in the UK is a minimum of 20% tax to pay on that too.