boat brands - prejudice or reality

[Supertramp]

Come to think of it that new Rassy is cored in the topsides. Mature technologies tend to end up in a race to the bottom.

Certainly not a feature worth paying a premium for.

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Although the premium may be paid to ensure the quality and durability.

As with many examples of premium quality it won't become apparent until extremes of weather, age or neglect take effect.

The question remains whether most of us "average" sailors will notice.

That said, I do appreciate cupboards, drawers and doors that open and close properly.

 

[Dutch01527]

Go to Yachtworld, set the filter to 1985 and earlier, look at the pictures. Then set the filter to 2015 and later, look at the pictures. Get it?

Pictures below of my dark, cramped, antique shop interior and old and rotten stinking bilge in my dirty and smelly 1980’s boat. Book matched, heavy teak interiors are so dreadful. I wish that I had seen this thread earlier and been educated into buying something nice .

 

[johnalison]

Come to think of it that new Rassy is cored in the topsides. Mature technologies tend to end up in a race to the bottom.

Certainly not a feature worth paying a premium for.

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I haven’t studied recent Rassys but my 2000 boat has a non-structural foam lining that looks like a core, down to just below the waterline, chiefly for insulation. I don’t know if later models have changed.

 

[DownWest]

Pictures below of my dark, cramped, antique shop interior and old and rotten stinking bilge in my dirty and smelly 1980’s boat. Book matched, heavy teak interiors are so dreadful. I wish that I had seen this thread earlier and been educated into buying something nice .View attachment 205435View attachment 205436

Gosh, that is horrible! How you can spend time there beggers belief! Well, sort of.. ;o)

 

[Fr J Hackett]

 

[Chiara’s slave]

I haven’t studied recent Rassys but my 2000 boat has a non-structural foam lining that looks like a core, down to just below the waterline, chiefly for insulation. I don’t know if later models have changed.

So many reasons for a foam core. We have little or no condensation except on the washboard. Obviously we have foam, for stiffness, lightness and strength. The insulation is a welcome offshoot.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Pictures below of my dark, cramped, antique shop interior and old and rotten stinking bilge in my dirty and smelly 1980’s boat. Book matched, heavy teak interiors are so dreadful. I wish that I had seen this thread earlier and been educated into buying something nice .

The boat is a credit to you .... the exception that proves the rule

Here's some brochure pictures of an IKEA loft apartment, (haven't found the keel yet, must have dropped off somewhere) ....

Post in thread 'Looks like I'm going to be a boat owner again ....'

30 May 2024

Bavaria MedSunBeer Sailer

Spot on, give that man a virtual beer. .... a nice little flat with a sea view I can change at will. .... and it's not too shabby either, despite its age.
Wasn't looking for a boat this old (2008) but as soon as I got on board it was like stepping into a time-warp.
One of the most fastidious owners I have ever come across - it was sold by the time I reached the bottom of the companionway steps ... and I was the first to view it.
... and it's got a lead keel.








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[Concerto]

The boat is a credit to you .... the exception that proves the rule

Here's some brochure pictures of an IKEA loft apartment, (haven't found the keel yet, must have dropped off somewhere) ....

Post in thread 'Looks like I'm going to be a boat owner again ....'

30 May 2024

Bavaria MedSunBeer Sailer

Spot on, give that man a virtual beer. .... a nice little flat with a sea view I can change at will. .... and it's not too shabby either, despite its age.
Wasn't looking for a boat this old (2008) but as soon as I got on board it was like stepping into a time-warp.
One of the most fastidious owners I have ever come across - it was sold by the time I reached the bottom of the companionway steps ... and I was the first to view it.
... and it's got a lead keel.








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Where are the hull windows? So not that current a design. Nice looking interior.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Where are the hull windows? So not that current a design. Nice looking interior.

Thanks. The hull windows are not very big, so I've got a hull window inferiority complex. 3 on each side, they've got curtains over them in the pics. It's not a current Bav either ... I guess it's a middle-aged AWB.

View of a sunset from the forward berth.



Even being small, it's nice to see out when seated in the saloon, or have a check on conditions without getting out of bed.

Windows are in this exterior pic.

 

[Tranona]

I think cored hulls have been abandoned for all but high performance boats, as you imply, for very good reason.
Solid GRP coachroofs and decks have a lot to commend especially when coupled with well designed inner liners.

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You really do seem to be totally out of touch with modern boat building. HRs (like almost all boats) have had cored hulls and decks for at least 30 years. With today's materials and construction techniques there is no merit in solid GRP except along the centre line and maybe around the hull/deck and stem areas - Bavarias for example use Kevlar in the solid stem layup. You are right to be concerned about cored hulls and decks in 40+ year old (mainly British built) boats because the core technology was in its infancy and there are many examples of poorly designed and executed cored layups that fail and either rot from water ingress or bonding failure of the core to GRP. Even HR had some issues in the early days but revised their layup schedules reducing the area of core in the topsides. However as you will see from the video of the 370 construction they use cores extensively, taking care to ramp down to solid for example in way of through hulls or solid where fittings are attached. Other builders for example Hanse and Bavaria use tapped metal plates in the laminate for fittings so they do not penetrate the cored areas.

The almost universal adoption of cored hulls and decks is nothing to do with a "race to the bottom". Solid laminations are cheaper than cored, but inferior. Heavy, difficult to engineer strength where required and mould to high levels of consistency. Have a look at the Bavaria material posted earlier, the HR videos and this hanseyachts.com/gb/engineering/ to get a flavour of how boats are built today. A world away from the sorts of boats you are familiar with

 

[Chiara’s slave]

It might be true to say that balsa cores have been largely abandoned. But PVC and more exotic cores, along with unidirectional glass, kevlar and carbon particularly in key areas is what makes modern boats possible.

 

[Tranona]

It might be true to say that balsa cores have been largely abandoned. But PVC and more exotic cores, along with unidirectional glass, kevlar and carbon particularly in key areas is what makes modern boats possible.

Indeed, the Hanse link shows a good example of what modern construction looks like. Add to that many now also use infusion methods for consolidating and curing layup. The Bavarias built the year after mine had this on the hull which saved 200kgs. This trend is driven as much by pressure on the use of scarce raw materials and constraints on working conditions as on cost. The upshot though is better more consistent quality.