Blue Angel (Canados 70s) Rebuild thread

[BartW]

these are two more drawings I gave the workers last week,

one for the broom cupboard:

and one for the new stern door:

this handsome gentlemen on the right (fine carpenter)

is going to make my saloon table bigger,
I'm curious how that is going to work, we discussed some details, but still some specialist skills are needed for that.
pay attention to the existing extendable part in the middle

here is the framework for the boat covering

 

[BartW]

just a few minutes ago,
I got this worrying photo in my mailbox

 

[BartW]

but I was pleasantly surprised when the next photo's came in:

replacing some bad wood on the sides,
and preparing cabling for new deck lights

similar on the other side

the opening for the stern door
here you can see how the hull is build up

and ofcause the famous steps in preparation

I'm so exited with all these holes in the boat,
but I am very pleased how the works are getting on after just one week

next thursday I'm going to inspect the works,
let me have eventual coments by then.

 

[jfm]

Wow BartW! Very serious stuff! Love it!

I'm interested in the thinking behind the centre transom door cut out going right up t deck level. Bit confused by that. :?

For the side deck lights, one light every metre is about right. I can put up some pictures if you want. Hella and Foresti Suardi make good lights for this job.

 

[BartW]

I'm interested in the thinking behind the centre transom door cut out going right up t deck level. Bit confused by that. :?

For the side deck lights, one light every metre is about right

For the deck lights I had the originals (optional) from Canados in mind,
I found them looking at many C70 pictures, even before I met the Canados workers.
Brand is Forcata, model is Stagna

They are quite big 150 x 100mm, cold white LED, and perhaps not so “refined” then some smaller models but I like these on here, in this position on this boat.
There will be less then one every meter, I guess one every 2 meter or so..
Perhaps on the FB I would like some deck lights similar as on SQ78, (smaller) what brand/model are these ?


The rear transom door
comes above deck level, to have sufficient height when entering.
Below deck she would be less then 110cm high,
even now the door opening will only be approx 130cm high,
But with the slope of the transom, and the steps going down, that should be alright.
In the cockpit, on the deck we will have a step or a bench covering this opening,
Here is a sketch

I’m most excited about the building of a telescopic transom door.
This will be made by the guy who made these doors to measure for Canados, 20 years ago:

(the first pic is from a sister ship)

He explained us that the outside surface will be made from alluminium, exactly the same as my existing two doors.
I wasn’t aware of that, but that’s how he always’s made it, with many layers of a good quality paint

Pay attention to the nice and shiny custom made SS arms from the telescopic door mechanism, I like that !

 

[MapisM]

the famous steps in preparation

Wow, it looks like those guys aren't wasting their time!
I hope we'll have the opportunity to meet in the 2nd half of Mar when I'll be in Rome.
I suppose they will have completed most if not all the works by then, and I'd be really curious to see the result, because the first pics are indeed promising.
Just one comment/question, is the higher step in the above pic really necessary?
I would have thought that the stair was starting from the same level of the deck, rather than making an (unnecessary?) up and down...

PS: another thing, are you sure of the brand/model of those lights?
I never heard "Forcata" before, and "Stagna" actually means waterproof in Italian, so it might be a generic waterproof line.

 

[jfm]

Bart, just imho, I think you are better with a larger number of smaller lights on the side decks. The little 65mm round ones by hella or foresti Suardi are good, spaced about 1m. If possible it is good to fit them in the bulwarks pointing inwards towards the boat, to make it glow at anchor

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

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Just one comment/question, is the higher step in the above pic really necessary?
I would have thought that the stair was starting from the same level of the deck, rather than making an (unnecessary?) up and down...

My guess is that it is deemed necessary to provide a barrier to stop seawater entering the cockpit and to ensure that water in the cockpit drains via the scuppers rather than down the steps?

 

[Nick_H]

My guess is that it is deemed necessary to provide a barrier to stop seawater entering the cockpit and to ensure that water in the cockpit drains via the scuppers rather than down the steps?

I can't see that. Most boats have the top step flush with the cockpit sole, and don't forget that the step is an addition, so the boat has managed OK for the last 20+ years with sea water coming in and out through the transom door. I'm sure there's a good reason for it, and it'll be interesting to hear Bart's reason, as I can't think what it is.

The work looks like it's progressing well Bart, and most importantly it seems like you've found some really skilled craftsmen to do it. I look forward to seeing the final result.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I can't see that. Most boats have the top step flush with the cockpit sole,

Most boats have a transom door which acts as a barrier even if the step is flush with the cockpit deck. My own boat has an 'upstand' in that position which I was told was to help keep water out of the cockpit. Yes maybe its for a completely different reason on BA. I'm sure Bart will be along in a minute to tell us

 

[BartW]

that plank is there just to hold the side panels temporarily
in position,
as far as I can think of a reason,

They agreed to make the steps according my drawing in post nr 109

 

[BartW]

PS: another thing, are you sure of the brand/model of those lights?
I never heard "Forcata" before, and "Stagna" actually means waterproof in Italian, so it might be a generic waterproof line.

look here:
http://www.forcato.it/en/prodotti.asp?id=111&cat=incasso&page=1&numero=3
OK you know I'm not so accurate on my Italian spelling re.Capraia

actually I first found them here:
http://www.timage.eu/Productimage.aspx?id=981

@Jfm
they are for a Canados J, not for a Fairline
joking aside, I believe plans are too much ahead to change that,
and I quite like these, they give a solid appearance, and look similar to the fairleads.
will check this anyway.

 

[MapisM]

that plank is there just to hold the side panels in position

Doh! Would you believe that I guessed that for a second, but eventually thought to ask?

 

[MapisM]

look here:
http://www.forcato.it/en/prodotti.asp?id=111&cat=incasso&page=1&numero=3
OK you know I'm not so accurate on my Italian spelling re.Capraia:

LOL, apologies Bart, I mentioned Capraia just because your spelling reminded me more of Capri...
But I should have thought about Forcato!
Not as well known as F&S or Cantalupi, but indeed they build some nice stuff.
Incidentally, I agree that they will look great on BA.

 

[BartW]

here you can see the lights in position (where I got the idea from)
this is a sister ship

 

[MapisM]

My guess is that it is deemed necessary to provide a barrier to stop seawater entering the cockpit and to ensure that water in the cockpit drains via the scuppers rather than down the steps?

Aside from what Bart just confirmed, I can't imagine why anyone would want that.
It's much more important that water can drain quickly, and if that happens also down the steps, who cares?
After all, keeping the sea out of the cockpit in the rough stuff is a lost battle anyway.
If some green water can reach the height of the deck, it's rather unlikely that a few additional inches will stop it from entering the cockpit...

 

[BartW]

Most boats have the top step flush with the cockpit sole, and don't forget that the step is an addition, so the boat has managed OK for the last 20+ years with sea water coming in and out through the transom door.

actually there was kind of a barrier originally,
and the transom door was closed very tight
see pictures page 6 post #51
but this was for aesthetic reasons I think.
just around the corner, on port side, is a gap for draining water from the deck

I think it is important that water can flow out as quick as possible,
so I agree, there is no need for a barrier on the new steps.
thanks for posting !

 

[wakeup]

look here:
http://www.forcato.it/en/prodotti.asp?id=111&cat=incasso&page=1&numero=3
OK you know I'm not so accurate on my Italian spelling re.Capraia

actually I first found them here:
http://www.timage.eu/Productimage.aspx?id=981

@Jfm
they are for a Canados J, not for a Fairline
joking aside, I believe plans are too much ahead to change that,
and I quite like these, they give a solid appearance, and look similar to the fairleads.
will check this anyway.

Are you sure you can't get them in warm white? I'd be surprised if these aren't made to order and I would have thought you could as them to use warm white LEDs circa 2700k to 3000k as this will have a warm classic look. The cooler colour temperature won't look as good imho and will clash with any warm/traditional lighting you have on the rest of the boat. I would push them on this as you'll probably find the light manufacturer can easily substitute this at order stage though Canados might not have this on their parts list.

 

[BartW]

Are you sure you can't get them in warm white? I'd be surprised if these aren't made to order and I would have thought you could as them to use warm white LEDs circa 2700k to 3000k as this will have a warm classic look. The cooler colour temperature won't look as good imho and will clash with any warm/traditional lighting you have on the rest of the boat. I would push them on this as you'll probably find the light manufacturer can easily substitute this at order stage though Canados might not have this on their parts list.

yes wakeup, now you beat me on that

Some posts / day's ago I was absolutely not in to LED lights,
actually here,
for this application I alway's had cold white LED lights in my mind (sorry for behaving not consistant)

some years back when I saw a superyacht in Croatia, I was impressed with the contrast of the warm spots inside, and the cold white (almost blue) lights outside for deck lightning, similar to Jfm's foto's in post nr 127.
thats why I automatically specd these LED lights here for this app.
I also think that the CRI is of less importance here

but I understand what you say about a "traditional" look.
So I will do some test, maybe one side warm white, and the other side cold white.
Have'nt seen the lights yet, but I guess that the LED bulbs are interchangeable,
last week in Dusseldorf I've seen zillions of LED bulbs.

 

[vas]

Bart,

I'd use cold white leds (whatever over 3k Kelvin) as a feature lighting somewhere...
So, use 2700K leds everywhere and pinpoint/stress a feature/space/area using cold leds.
It will make more sense the less >3000K light sources you use
Typical use for cold whites, none - okay, in theory they are good for studying/office space, but I don't like them even on that!

obviously imho!

V