Bloody French! (S C A L L O P S)

fisherman said:
They don't bring stones, they come up in the dredges.
UK fishermen do not 'flog' quotas to foreigners.
French style dredges have been volunatarily banned over here, too efficient.
In some areas becasue of that efficiency they are only allowed to fish one hour per day, which is a better approach than expending fuel on less efficient methods.
Go on AIS and see how many French trawlers are crawling along our six mile limit, this dispute is just outside the twelve.
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You can't come on here with the voice of reason knowing exactly what you are talking about. ;)
 
And a bit closer to home...a bunch of Vietnamese restaurant people in Poole found gill netting bass in the middle of the night last weekend. This is illegal. The owner is now claiming it was a one off and a result of a misunderstanding....ho ho ho...or should it be Ho Ho Ho. The fisheries people are investigating so he might be in the poo.

Tim
 
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shan said:
So, they don't have a right to be upset when British fishermen destroy the scallop habitat? If the tables were turned, you would be cheering on the Brits.
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They are "upset", because their Government won't allow them to dredge until October, in their own waters. The area where British fishermen are dredging, is not part of that restricted area. If it was something the British fishermen were doing illegally, don't you think the French Maritime ships would have stopped it, rather than a load of louts?
 
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CLB said:
While I agree with the principle of what you say, they are not the rules and this is not the way to deal with it. The Brits are acting leagally under current rules and the French are acting like Somalian pirates.
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How on earth do you get to that conclusion from that video?

The big blue trawler is British.
 
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Seven Spades said:
Post Brexit we need to do exactly what Iceland did and declare a 50 mile exclusive limit. Where the border is less than 100 miles the economic zone is split evenly with neighbouring countries.

This is what should happen but it won't because every British government sees our fishing waters as a bargaining chip for something it perceives as more important. An exclusive 50 mile limit around Great Britain would give us a huge amount of control of Europes fishing grounds. The enforcement is simple foreign vessels caught fishing in UK waters will have their vessels seized, no fines, simply confiscation of the vessels.
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Even though we sold them the rights to fish in "our" seas?
 
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longjohnsilver said:
A small but important point, they use dredges to “catch” scallops.
There’s an area off Budleigh Salterton in Devon that produces the largest scallops I’ve ever seen in 35 years of diving for them. I’m reliably told that this area had fabulous coral reefs before scallop dredging started. Now the sea bed consists of broken up coral and assorted shells that goes on for almost 2 miles. It’s a sad sight to see. And still you will often see anything up to 10 scallop dredging boats working the area at any one time.
I liken it to someone going up on to Exmouth or Dartmoor and ploughing the whole area time and again, month after month, year after year, even though it became a barren landscape after just a few weeks there would be an outcry, but because the seabed is visible to only a relatively few divers, almost no one knows what’s happening down there.
Unfortunately most (there are exceptions) fisherman have no interest in sustainable fishing, it’s take what you can whilst you can. Money in the bank is king. It’s so short sighted and sad.
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Absolutely agree
 
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st599 said:
How on earth do you get to that conclusion from that video?

The big blue trawler is British.
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What makes you think I reached any conclusion from watching a video? I reached that conclusion after finding out as much info as possible from lots of different sources.
 
Our fishermen come across as a right bunch of wimps, they got beaten up by the Icelanders, then the Spanish and now the frogs... Might even be the second time with the frogs..
 
JumbleDuck said:
From 25th March this year:

Figures published by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) suggest Spain, Holland and non-EU state Iceland have already bought up almost 90 percent of the entire fishing quota of Wales, as well as more than half that assigned to England.​

See also: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/foreigners-to-net-uk-fish-after-brexit-hpf6njhvt
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yerbut, if you want to go fishing you must buy a licence, and sometimes quota. It is a commodity, part of your capital base, and market forces prevail when you wish to trade. You don't 'flog it to a foreigner', you usually sell it to a dealer who will amalgamate it to suit the buyer's requirements. In the cases you link to the holders are UK companies, owned by foreign interests, therefore they are effectively owned in the UK. It would need a major change in company law to alter this. People always assume we sell to some foreign person waving a fistful of notes.
 
JBJag27 said:
Our fishermen come across as a right bunch of wimps, they got beaten up by the Icelanders, then the Spanish and now the frogs... Might even be the second time with the frogs..
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We didn't get beat up by Iceland, that was NATO. Iceland threatened closure of the vital airbase covering the submarine run between Iceland and Greenland.

Since we only get to catch 40% of fish in the UK sector of EU waters, is it any wonder they have more incentive to invest in UK fisheries
 
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st599 said:
Even though we sold them the rights to fish in "our" seas?
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Sigh.....Ted Heath GAVE them the right in 1973. They are crapping themselves in case we grow a spine and boot them out. Every French market fish stall relies on fish from UK waters, caught by their boats, which in future could be caught by ours..trade blocks, tariffs? yes bring it on, french consumers will soon make their feelings known.
 
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fisherman said:
Sigh.....Ted Heath GAVE them the right in 1973.
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But what about all that quota which started off in UK hands and ended up in foreign hands without, apparently, any UK fishermen selling it? Which is curiously reminiscent of all those Cornish villages which have ended up as holiday home despite nobody local ever having sold their house to outsiders, oh dear me no.
 
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JumbleDuck said:
But what about all that quota which started off in UK hands and ended up in foreign hands without, apparently, any UK fishermen selling it? Which is curiously reminiscent of all those Cornish villages which have ended up as holiday home despite nobody local ever having sold their house to outsiders, oh dear me no.
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I wasn't going to quote the holiday cottage argument, but here goes: If i sell my house i do so on the open market, and sell for the market rate, since, should I perversely want another house to live in I will have to pay the market rate. The fact that this price is driven by holiday cottage demand is beyond my control. I could sell to a local at half price, and he would promise to not sell it on at full price straight away, putting him in the full price house market and me out of it. Quotas and licences are the same.
 
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