Bloody French! (S C A L L O P S)
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Sybarite
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I can fully understand. They are only allowed to fish from October to February in order to conserve stocks. They generally fish in boats less than half the size of the typical English boats.
Would you stand by and watch your livelihood being pillaged?
I can fully understand. They are only allowed to fish from October to February in order to conserve stocks. They generally fish in boats less than half the size of the typical English boats.
Would you stand by and watch your livelihood being pillaged?
dimdav
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Not many in fishing or their communities around the UK would hence the high proportion who voted leave in the referendum.
Not many in fishing or their communities around the UK would hence the high proportion who voted leave in the referendum.
TiggerToo
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Isn't that what Brexit is all about? Reclaim our Buccaneering spirit. Pillage and plunder.
Isn't that what Brexit is all about? Reclaim our Buccaneering spirit. Pillage and plunder.
geem
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In my view all dredging should be banned in British waters once we exit the EU. Dredging destroys the seabed.
Some people seem to have the romantic notion that fishermen are the farmers of the sea. Nothing could be further from the truth for bottom scraping shell fishermen. These fishermen destroy our seabed for their own gain. The environment they destroy is ours as British citizens not theirs as fishermen. Ban the lot of them from UK waters for ever.
In my view all dredging should be banned in British waters once we exit the EU. Dredging destroys the seabed.
Some people seem to have the romantic notion that fishermen are the farmers of the sea. Nothing could be further from the truth for bottom scraping shell fishermen. These fishermen destroy our seabed for their own gain. The environment they destroy is ours as British citizens not theirs as fishermen. Ban the lot of them from UK waters for ever.
3571
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Interesting post for many reasons, I say that as one of those dreadful Solway Sustainable Scallop Harvesters (I am also a keen sea angler, motor boater and dinghy sailor) who has fished bang on the very same thriving spots for the last 37 years and counting (which always strikes me as a bit odd if we are to believe all the agenda driven sensationalism) and was also closely involved in the IOM issue that you seem to have so much "knowledge" of. I must have missed the local campaigning against foreigners in UK waters that you talk about despite being very heavily involved in anything fishy locally for the last couple of decades, entertaining indeed ;-)
The reality of the current Bay de Seine issue is that for many years the UK and the French came to an annual arrangement whereby the French provided the UK with extra ICES Area7 (runs from roughly Dover Westabout up to Corsewall Point in SW Scotland, massive area) Scallop days at sea (they have no use for anyway as they have a huge excess of days having "allegedly" played the historical track record game very well years back while the UK as always played by the book and now struggles, the current level for the July, Aug, Sept quarter for UK vessels is a grand total of 30 days at sea in Area7, any part of a day counts as a full day be that 1 minute or 23 hours and 59 minutes) in exchange for the larger UK scallop vessels voluntarily staying out of the Bay de Seine while the French closure was on. For whatever reason this year despite the UKs best efforts the French would not agree to any such deal and here we are.
I suspect that there will be a belated agreement before long but it's very sad if predictable that it ever came to this.
Interesting post for many reasons, I say that as one of those dreadful Solway Sustainable Scallop Harvesters (I am also a keen sea angler, motor boater and dinghy sailor) who has fished bang on the very same thriving spots for the last 37 years and counting (which always strikes me as a bit odd if we are to believe all the agenda driven sensationalism) and was also closely involved in the IOM issue that you seem to have so much "knowledge" of. I must have missed the local campaigning against foreigners in UK waters that you talk about despite being very heavily involved in anything fishy locally for the last couple of decades, entertaining indeed ;-)
The reality of the current Bay de Seine issue is that for many years the UK and the French came to an annual arrangement whereby the French provided the UK with extra ICES Area7 (runs from roughly Dover Westabout up to Corsewall Point in SW Scotland, massive area) Scallop days at sea (they have no use for anyway as they have a huge excess of days having "allegedly" played the historical track record game very well years back while the UK as always played by the book and now struggles, the current level for the July, Aug, Sept quarter for UK vessels is a grand total of 30 days at sea in Area7, any part of a day counts as a full day be that 1 minute or 23 hours and 59 minutes) in exchange for the larger UK scallop vessels voluntarily staying out of the Bay de Seine while the French closure was on. For whatever reason this year despite the UKs best efforts the French would not agree to any such deal and here we are.
I suspect that there will be a belated agreement before long but it's very sad if predictable that it ever came to this.
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JumbleDuck
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The government has no credible position on anything to do with Brexit.
The government has no credible position on anything to do with Brexit.
steve yates
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Tranona
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Not sure that is true on environmental issues where Gove has made some bold statements of intent. Of course none of this may happen but the idea that we will be any less environmentally "friendly" particularly in fishing and farming than the EU does not stand up to scrutiny.
Anyway as always happens in this country when it comes to actually doing something rather than talking about it we (as a country) generally do OK. All the talk (on both sides) around the vote time has turned out to be just hot air and to be a long way from reality.
We should take a leaf out the EU book and just stick to the principles then deal with the consequences.
Not sure that is true on environmental issues where Gove has made some bold statements of intent. Of course none of this may happen but the idea that we will be any less environmentally "friendly" particularly in fishing and farming than the EU does not stand up to scrutiny.
Anyway as always happens in this country when it comes to actually doing something rather than talking about it we (as a country) generally do OK. All the talk (on both sides) around the vote time has turned out to be just hot air and to be a long way from reality.
We should take a leaf out the EU book and just stick to the principles then deal with the consequences.
shan
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So, they don't have a right to be upset when British fishermen destroy the scallop habitat? If the tables were turned, you would be cheering on the Brits.
Tranona
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But that is not what is happening. Read the post above. The dispute is about an agreement (or rather failing to make an agreement as in the past) to share out fishing days. Both use the same techniques for fishing. so in the days the French are allowed to fish for scallops they will be using trawls as well.
But that is not what is happening. Read the post above. The dispute is about an agreement (or rather failing to make an agreement as in the past) to share out fishing days. Both use the same techniques for fishing. so in the days the French are allowed to fish for scallops they will be using trawls as well.
Seven Spades
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Post Brexit we need to do exactly what Iceland did and declare a 50 mile exclusive limit. Where the border is less than 100 miles the economic zone is split evenly with neighbouring countries.
This is what should happen but it won't because every British government sees our fishing waters as a bargaining chip for something it perceives as more important. An exclusive 50 mile limit around Great Britain would give us a huge amount of control of Europes fishing grounds. The enforcement is simple foreign vessels caught fishing in UK waters will have their vessels seized, no fines, simply confiscation of the vessels.
Post Brexit we need to do exactly what Iceland did and declare a 50 mile exclusive limit. Where the border is less than 100 miles the economic zone is split evenly with neighbouring countries.
This is what should happen but it won't because every British government sees our fishing waters as a bargaining chip for something it perceives as more important. An exclusive 50 mile limit around Great Britain would give us a huge amount of control of Europes fishing grounds. The enforcement is simple foreign vessels caught fishing in UK waters will have their vessels seized, no fines, simply confiscation of the vessels.
chrishscorp
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The French brought stones with them, it was planned
They gave the British boats a weeks advance warning of the skirmish apparently.
The reason we see so many foreign fishing vessels in British waters is due to our fisherman retiring and flogging them their quotas and the boats then being scrapped. All legal and above board.
But of course there are those on here who would say the brexit vote voids those sales
The French brought stones with them, it was planned
They gave the British boats a weeks advance warning of the skirmish apparently.
The reason we see so many foreign fishing vessels in British waters is due to our fisherman retiring and flogging them their quotas and the boats then being scrapped. All legal and above board.
But of course there are those on here who would say the brexit vote voids those sales
Balbas
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I'm quite impressed with myself that I got the year right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Cherbourg_incident
3571
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I am unaware of any warning, it was all very predictable but I don't know about any advanced warning.
The reason you see so many foreign fishing vessels inside "UK waters" is because they barely exist anymore, in fishery terms anywhere outside 12 miles is open to all EU nations as it is a "Common EU resource"......many Continental vessels are also allowed between the UK 6 and 12 on a Grandfathers rights basis all fishing under their own National quotas which are generally of a scale the UK could only dream of, again they were much better at playing the track record game in the day.
I am unaware of any warning, it was all very predictable but I don't know about any advanced warning.
The reason you see so many foreign fishing vessels inside "UK waters" is because they barely exist anymore, in fishery terms anywhere outside 12 miles is open to all EU nations as it is a "Common EU resource"......many Continental vessels are also allowed between the UK 6 and 12 on a Grandfathers rights basis all fishing under their own National quotas which are generally of a scale the UK could only dream of, again they were much better at playing the track record game in the day.
Aja
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Erm.... the border may well be in Ireland. Great Britain and Northern Ireland, remember?
Donald
Erm.... the border may well be in Ireland. Great Britain and Northern Ireland, remember?
Donald
longjohnsilver
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A small but important point, they use dredges to “catch” scallops.
There’s an area off Budleigh Salterton in Devon that produces the largest scallops I’ve ever seen in 35 years of diving for them. I’m reliably told that this area had fabulous coral reefs before scallop dredging started. Now the sea bed consists of broken up coral and assorted shells that goes on for almost 2 miles. It’s a sad sight to see. And still you will often see anything up to 10 scallop dredging boats working the area at any one time.
I liken it to someone going up on to Exmouth or Dartmoor and ploughing the whole area time and again, month after month, year after year, even though it became a barren landscape after just a few weeks there would be an outcry, but because the seabed is visible to only a relatively few divers, almost no one knows what’s happening down there.
Unfortunately most (there are exceptions) fisherman have no interest in sustainable fishing, it’s take what you can whilst you can. Money in the bank is king. It’s so short sighted and sad.
A small but important point, they use dredges to “catch” scallops.
There’s an area off Budleigh Salterton in Devon that produces the largest scallops I’ve ever seen in 35 years of diving for them. I’m reliably told that this area had fabulous coral reefs before scallop dredging started. Now the sea bed consists of broken up coral and assorted shells that goes on for almost 2 miles. It’s a sad sight to see. And still you will often see anything up to 10 scallop dredging boats working the area at any one time.
I liken it to someone going up on to Exmouth or Dartmoor and ploughing the whole area time and again, month after month, year after year, even though it became a barren landscape after just a few weeks there would be an outcry, but because the seabed is visible to only a relatively few divers, almost no one knows what’s happening down there.
Unfortunately most (there are exceptions) fisherman have no interest in sustainable fishing, it’s take what you can whilst you can. Money in the bank is king. It’s so short sighted and sad.
shan
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Well then, as they are both destroying the future habitat of their income, let them have at each other. Perhaps, they will knock some sense into each other... probably not.
Tomahawk
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Are the French being shellfish
Where did you dredge that from?
fisherman
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They don't bring stones, they come up in the dredges.
UK fishermen do not 'flog' quotas to foreigners.
French style dredges have been volunatarily banned over here, too efficient.
In some areas becasue of that efficiency they are only allowed to fish one hour per day, which is a better approach than expending fuel on less efficient methods.
Go on AIS and see how many French trawlers are crawling along our six mile limit, this dispute is just outside their twelve.
UK fishermen do not 'flog' quotas to foreigners.
French style dredges have been volunatarily banned over here, too efficient.
In some areas becasue of that efficiency they are only allowed to fish one hour per day, which is a better approach than expending fuel on less efficient methods.
Go on AIS and see how many French trawlers are crawling along our six mile limit, this dispute is just outside their twelve.
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