Blizzard of '63 and next tuesdays chart

[Chris_Robb]

There is a very interesting similarity between Jan 63 weather chart at the time of the great blizzard, and next tuesdays chart from the met office.

Whats the betting? Simon are you out there????

 

[Chris_Robb]

This will disappear of the south pole if I don't refresh it!

Are we going to orgainse a sweepstake on the outcome! I think it will rain - but clearly there are similarities

 

[Blue5]

Wheres the doc when you need him.....................................

 

[trapezeartist]

Sorry, I really don't see much similarity. Yes, there's a low off SW Ireland, but how many of those have we had between 1963 and now? In 1963 there was a high off Greenland and the isobars go streaming off up over Norway. This week the high is perched right on top off Scandinavia.

Anyway, 1963 was just a bad winter (**** happens), just like 1947. This year the cold weather is caused by global warming, so it's a different thing altogether.

 

[Doghousekeeper]

I'm with Trapezeartist. I don't see any great similarity here

 

[Chris_Robb]

Sorry, I really don't see much similarity. Yes, there's a low off SW Ireland, but how many of those have we had between 1963 and now? In 1963 there was a high off Greenland and the isobars go streaming off up over Norway. This week the high is perched right on top off Scandinavia.

Anyway, 1963 was just a bad winter (**** happens), just like 1947. This year the cold weather is caused by global warming, so it's a different thing altogether.

Yes - the position of the high is different, which is why we will probably get rain in the south......
This years weather caused by global warming - yeh - all part of the inconventient truth......

 

[jpcarter30]

'This years weather caused by global warming - yeh - all part of the inconventient truth....'

Ask any gardener, the plants don't lie.

 

[Chris_Robb]

'This years weather caused by global warming - yeh - all part of the inconventient truth....'

Ask any gardener, the plants don't lie.

I might, but my own observations as a gardener point to our snow drops that cover the whole garden were always out 25 years ago by start of Jan, and are visible now (8th Jan,) just as they always were, so what's changed? Give me some evidence please.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Thawing at moment in SE.

 

[mandlmaunder]

Jet stream and the UK

Just been looking at passagageweather.com for the next weeks weather and there is going to be severe weather from the El Salvador in the Pacific all the way across the Atlantic to the UK and North Africa.
The Bay of biscay looks especially frightening.
Going to be really unpleasant for a lot of people for the next 5 or 6 days.

Good luck
Mark

 

[Boreades]

There is a very interesting similarity between Jan 63 weather chart at the time of the great blizzard, and next tuesdays chart from the met office.

Whats the betting? Simon are you out there????

Is it because they've both got wiggly black lines on them?

 

[Chris_Robb]

Is it because they've both got wiggly black lines on them?

Yup - thats it. You claim the prize for the best answer

 

[jpcarter30]

I might, but my own observations as a gardener point to our snow drops that cover the whole garden were always out 25 years ago by start of Jan, and are visible now (8th Jan,) just as they always were, so what's changed? Give me some evidence please.

Data & trends
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardenin...umbria-annual-gong-show-reindeers-rights.html

Trends - even Snowdrops
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-global-warming-forces-tropical-growth.html

The data across a longer period clearly indicate that changes are taking place. If you wish to deny it then that is up to you.

 

[halcyon]

Data & trends
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardenin...umbria-annual-gong-show-reindeers-rights.html

The data across a longer period clearly indicate that changes are taking place. If you wish to deny it then that is up to you.

Probable, but having lived in Falmouth area now for 25 years, this is the most snow and coldest spell by far. Also all our bulbs are at least a month to 6 weeks late, normally have daffs in bloom, still not an inch high.

Old case of pick what you want, to prove what you want.

Brian

 

[Vindleka]

Irrefutable proof...

Data & trends
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardenin...umbria-annual-gong-show-reindeers-rights.html

Trends - even Snowdrops
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-global-warming-forces-tropical-growth.html

The data across a longer period clearly indicate that changes are taking place. If you wish to deny it then that is up to you.

The Telegraph article was published as part of the evangelical build-up to the Copenhagen summit. A lot of which was discredited even before the conference started.

The daily mail article was published in 2007 seemingly before people woke up to being able to think and reason for themselves! At that time they were saying that even roses would not be able to grow in the UK in the future. Which is strange as they seem to flourish in southern Italy.

 

[simonjk]

Hi all,

Firstly, sorry it took so long to reply, a combination of one of the busiest forecasting periods I can remember, and a chest infection has kept me away from the keyboard for a few days.

Yes, things this winter have been compared to 1963 and I can see why. The chart you showed was a good example of this, and in fact this is how the winter of 1963 turned out. It was not cold throughout, but rather waxed and waned in that it would be very cold, then less so, before temperatures fell again.

It would not be surprising if this winter turns out to be probably one of the coldest we have experienced since then, although 1981/82 and 1978/79 certainly have sdomethig to live up to.

The cold air is knocking on our soor again for next week and there is some discrepency between the models as the whether it makes it back into the UK. What is certain at the moment is that you cannot trust the forecast charts beyond day 5.

Simon