Blackwater to Oostende

So we really are advocating ignoring the legal requirement to cross a TSS on a heading at 90 degrees to the traffic?

I am truly astounded!
 
Erbas said:
So we really are advocating ignoring the legal requirement to cross a TSS on a heading at 90 degrees to the traffic?

I am truly astounded!
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'To the traffic'!!!
Adjust your course if and when you encounter traffic.

I do realise that a first crossing can be daunting (I nearly shat myself first time round), but in the end there really isn't that much to it.
I am really impressed by your preparations/calculations - better than anything I have ever produced.
However, I have seen similar work before - peeps who had conscientiously prepared for every eventuality they could think of.
And then, something they didn't think of happened and it all came apart at the seams.

Military axiom: no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.
It is - IMHO - far better to have a rough plan (we're going that way) and then adapt to the circumstances as they present themselves.
Make it up as you go along sort of thing.
 
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Point of order - I am in no way daunted by the crossing.

Colregs Rule 10c is quite specific and it's not optional. Ignore it at your peril

"(c) A vessel shall, so far as practicable, avoid crossing traffic lanes but if obliged to do so shall cross on a heading as nearly as practicable at right angles to the general direction of traffic flow."

You can read the regs from cover to cover and nowhere does it say that the rules can be ignored because you might have to alter course anyway or because it makes passage planning a bit more complicated

Nor does it say anywhere in the colregs that they only apply when there happens to be ships about nor that they can be ignored if there's nobody looking

I remain genuinely astonished
 
Erbas said:
Point of order - I am in no way daunted by the crossing.

Colregs Rule 10c is quite specific and it's not optional. Ignore it at your peril

"(c) A vessel shall, so far as practicable, avoid crossing traffic lanes but if obliged to do so shall cross on a heading as nearly as practicable at right angles to the general direction of traffic flow."

You can read the regs from cover to cover and nowhere does it say that the rules can be ignored because you might have to alter course anyway or because it makes passage planning a bit more complicated

Nor does it say anywhere in the colregs that they only apply when there happens to be ships about nor that they can be ignored if there's nobody looking

I remain genuinely astonished
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when we first did it we couldnt afford a copy of the col regs
Bru, often there is very little traffic on the inshore lanes & the s/w inshore lane is 2.5 miles wide after that you are going with the flow for under 2 mls ( assuming you pitch up between the garden city & the Twin). The only planning i do prior to setting off, is to mark up my Admiralty tidal atlas for each hour, this gives me the off-set for my assumed arrival timings.
 
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I'm with Erbas on this one. Maybe it's because I've got a class B AIS. I haven't actually done this crossing since the TSS was set up as we now tend to go Harwich-Blankenberg, which avoids most of the problem.
 
"(c) A vessel shall, so far as practicable, avoid crossing traffic lanes but if obliged to do so shall cross on a heading as nearly as practicable at right angles to the general direction of traffic flow."
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Phoenix of Hamble said:
I must admit, I try to cross them correctly too...
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I try to too - when there is traffic. ;)
If there isn't any traffic a TSS is just a set of arbitrary lines on a chart.

Hypothesis:
You're driving a car in the middle of the desert.
There is no-one/nothing around as far as the eye can see.
All of a sudden, you come to a traffic light.
It's on red.
Do you stop?
Yes/No

If you answer 'Yes' to the above, you will never get where I'm coming from.
Nothing wrong with that - just a different mindset. That's all.
The world would be a poorer place if we were all the same.
 
Hypothesis

The Sheikh who lords it over that area of desert decrees that anyone running a red light will be kicked repeatedly in the nadgers by his evil henchman and then be forced to ride home on a camel*

Your call :)

* sometimes my latent nasty streak surpasses itself
 
Erbas said:
Hypothesis

The Sheikh who lords it over that area of desert decrees that anyone running a red light will be kicked repeatedly in the nadgers by his evil henchman and then be forced to ride home on a camel*

Your call :)

* sometimes my latent nasty streak surpasses itself
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Your sheik and his evil henchmen would have to catch me first.
Chances of this happening: negligible.
 
OR4751 said:
Your sheik and his evil henchmen would have to catch me first.
Chances of this happening: negligible.
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It's a bit like speeding I guess.

If everyone is doing 80 on the motorway it must be OK to do 80.

Until the day they plant a hidden speed camera on the motorway and nick ' em by the score

One day someone will get prosecuted for disobeying rule 10 in the Sunk TSS. Actually, I think it's already happened to Frenchman. OK, IIRC he'd already blown through the Dover Straits TSS going the wrong way which was really dumb but he got done for the Sunk as well ISTR
 
A thought to go to sleep on...

Clearly we'll never all agree on this (certainly not in public anyway!) but I must say that it's a pleasure to debate an issue over 95 posts with a healthy smattering of humour, some judicious urine extraction and nary a cross word

Gotta love the ECF!

Night all
 
Erbas said:
A thought to go to sleep on...

Clearly we'll never all agree on this (certainly not in public anyway!) but I must say that it's a pleasure to debate an issue over 95 posts with a healthy smattering of humour, some judicious urine extraction and nary a cross word

Gotta love the ECF!

Night all
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My goodness, Bru. actually going to bed and signing off in a nice polite manner, you're losing your touch old chap. :-)
 
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