georgeo
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A lot of RMs have sailed very long distances including at least one circumnavigation
Bilge keels for distance yachts
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Twister_Ken
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Certainly, and RMs are admirable boats, but a lot of most marques have sailed very long distances, including at least one circumnavigation.
macd
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Of course. I didn't include them because they're not so 'distant'; certainly not from where I am now
Twister_Ken
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Of course. I didn't include them because they're not so 'distant'; certainly not from where I am now
They may be for the OP, though.
Searush
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Ocean going twin keelers are very different boats from the typical 60'-80's small family cruisers seen around the UK coast.
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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The primary objective of a twin keel design is to take ground upright; everything else is of secondary importance.
Seajet
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There is a very big difference between " in spite of " and ' because of ' .
kunyang
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In the last year, the quest for the yacht to suit our needs is getting confusing. I know now that a compromise is necessary (as I told SWMBO long ago). The trouble is, when you go sailing, the longest trip is 3 - 5 weeks (hopefully) then you arrive and just how many times do you sail that much?A yacht for long trips has a small compact cockpit, narrow walk ways bellow, small berths, small kitchen area etc (well, the capable yachts of the price range we are looking at are), while once you get to the destination, you need large cockpits, space below, large berths, etc. So we have looked at yachts such as a Freya 39 (Foxglove), Lovely yacht, just couldn't see me supping a G&T with friends sitting in the cockpit, Moody's, large comfortable but doesn't point to well, and not too comfortable below in a seaway, and now a large bilge keeler.
We have time to go before we will / need to get the dream yacht, so I'll keep looking, but the Scanyacht does tick some of the boxes.
If you are going for a long period, the compromise does point more towards comfort once you have arrived, even though you need to enjoy the journey!
It is fun looking for the right one, I just hope my wife doesn't fall in love with one before I can realy afford it
Bilgediver
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There is a Westerly Centaur on the Pacific Northwest Coast which did at least two if not three circumnavigations in the ownership of one called Michael.
Searush
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If that is the parameter set for the designer. I happen to find the shallow draft very important to as I can sneak in & out of my drying harbour earlier/ later than many others. Lord Ravensdale designed aerofoil splayed keels to provide extra lift & stability.
Twister_Ken
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Doesn't seem to have caught on though.
TSB240
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Have a look at the latest PBO on drying out and twin keel french boats.
We had a good look at some very nice RMs, Djangos and another make that i cant remember at Sauzon. Well able to outperform many a fin keeler. The french are well ahead in latest designs of twin keelers. They make the old westerleys and other mawb designs look like dinosaurs.
lpdsn
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There are certainly some innovative French boats around. The Pogo 10.5 doesn't perform too bad for a boat that can get it's draught down to just over 1m.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monYps4nPUg
Twister_Ken
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No argument that an RM is a totally different kettle of spanners to a Westerly Centaur. Nor that biquilles have a valuable role for many cruisers.
Serious racers, though, always seem to stick with one keel, which to my tiny mind says that monokeelers offer a performance advantage.
I'll make an exception for some of the big ocean racers which have two boards, although only one is down at a time.
Tranona
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The specific boat the OP was looking at is nothing like those being suggested here. It is a Scandinavian style deck saloon, modified in an attempt to find a market in the UK by adding twin keels. It is probably the only one ever built (or at best only one of a handful) as the idea never caught on. Perhaps a bit like the Hunter Legend which tried the same route, but failed. Seems that, although many people might say they would like a boat with those characteristics, few actually put their hands in their pockets and buy one. Little bit like all the retro narrow long keeler types that popup from time to time that get drooled over, but in reality nobody is prepared to buy.
charles_reed
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In Theory..
But a well-designed bilge keeler will outsail a badly designed single-keeler, all other things being equal.
Neil_Y
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When you are ocean crossing part of the pleasure is being at sea and speed is never something that you are really concerned about (apart from when there is an approaching storm but in a mono hull cruiser you can't out run a weather system) When you head off you don't know if the crossing will be a 15 day or a 22 day so I can't see the slower boat being any less capable.
Safety of any boat is 95% down to how you look after it and how well maintained it is, not how easily it will be rolled as you try to set the boat up, even in the worst storms to not get rolled. Safety is down to keel staying on, rig staying up, rudder staying on and hatches/windows being water tight.
I've crossed the Atlantic racing, seven up 14 days 23 hours and cruising two up 20 days, I enjoyed the 20 days passage far more.
The safety of boats as far as I am concerned is in the detail and knowing those parts of the boat well.
Safety of any boat is 95% down to how you look after it and how well maintained it is, not how easily it will be rolled as you try to set the boat up, even in the worst storms to not get rolled. Safety is down to keel staying on, rig staying up, rudder staying on and hatches/windows being water tight.
I've crossed the Atlantic racing, seven up 14 days 23 hours and cruising two up 20 days, I enjoyed the 20 days passage far more.
The safety of boats as far as I am concerned is in the detail and knowing those parts of the boat well.
Blueboatman
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In an overcrowded anchorage shallow draft is quite useful as is the ability to park well out of the way of other dragging boats. And to sail/explore where most don't go is, for some, the USP.
DJE
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Now come on this thread is about generalisations and prejudice. Don't go bringing reasoned argument into it.
kunyang
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So, if Scanyachts made only a few bilge keelers, did they have any problems with them (like the moody's). There's not much info on the web on them.
