ylop
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would be better getting together and offering to take over managing and running the harbour including all the liabilities involved
Biggest problem with boating?
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Praxinoscope
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I agree, but council seem to have fixed ideas on the conditions of doing this which make it totally impractical to do so, but the club could still be open to some sensible negotiations.
Besides the council see boat owners as cash cows so until they find they have no boat owners they won't see beyond the Boat = Money ratio.
Bouba
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Time and money....to really enjoy the hobby you need at least one and preferably both
john_morris_uk
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I wish I could share the attempted spam I just removed.
Rhylsailer99
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After yesterday I would say sea sickness. I felt like i was dying, and being solo I had to come back onto my mooring feeling like hell.
ylop
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I’ve seen similar things off the water here. Public up in arms about costs/threatened closure of facilities. Local councillors suggested a community buy out (not sure if that’s just a Scottish thing). Then when it gets to feasibility study stage the potential new owners realise that there’s massive costs in maintaining capital, and it’s economically not viable.
That might be the case, but I doubt they make any significant amount of cash from boats (in terms of their real budgets) but have to maintain everything, staff it (volunteers might be able to do it cheaper?), deal with complaints, process payments etc. lots of things we think “make money” for councils dont even break even in real terms.
Slowtack
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Dont sweat the small stuff.... Enjoy
Farmer Piles
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The biggest problem with boating?
Boats!!
Just when you think that you have everything hunky-dory, something rears up and bites you in the bum.
That said, best pastime in the world!!
Boats!!
Just when you think that you have everything hunky-dory, something rears up and bites you in the bum.
That said, best pastime in the world!!
Wansworth
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Keeping water out
Daydream believer
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That is all we want-- A b..y committee running our lives
ylop
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Well, if you don’t want the council to own/operate the harbour and you don’t want a committee involved there’s an easy solution: just buy it yourself - you no longer have to worry about the fees, and can be as philanthropic or capitalist as you wish when setting the fees for anyone else you let use it!That is all we want-- A b..y committee running our lives
Daydream believer
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You need 3 things to enjoy boating & thus help prevent some of the problems that arise:-
A partner who is willing to accept it all without complaint- (Or no partner at all, of course) One who wants to go boating as much as you is great. One who will go sailing but who will start whingeing if it is windy or rough is a real pain in the rear. One who keeps coming up with reasons not to sail - ie some darned relation's B B Q etc etc are just a waste of time.
You want one like mine- " I am going golfing for a few days next week. If you go sailing be careful, let me know how it goes & where you are) "
Money to afford the sailing that you want to do- so you need to have the budget sorted. Match the boat to the budget & be honest about it. Being unable to afford to keep the boat can cause friction & worry at home. It can spoil the sailing if something goes wrong & one cannot use the boat. It hurts if a bill comes in ( & it will) at a difficult time
Time to do the sailing you want to do- No point getting the boat- be it project or otherwise & not enjoying it. It will end up a millstone around your neck & you will not enjoy the hobby.
If you want to add a fourth, then location would be my choice. A boat 100's of miles away, is no enjoyment (in my view) The travelling is a killer. Going along the M3 & round the M25 on a hot Sunday evening is something to put one right off sailing.
I am lucky. I am 4.4 miles from my marina & love to go to the boat daily, even if just for a chat to the boat. Fettle something that really did not need fettling, talk to other owners etc. Much more civilised
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A partner who is willing to accept it all without complaint- (Or no partner at all, of course) One who wants to go boating as much as you is great. One who will go sailing but who will start whingeing if it is windy or rough is a real pain in the rear. One who keeps coming up with reasons not to sail - ie some darned relation's B B Q etc etc are just a waste of time.
You want one like mine- " I am going golfing for a few days next week. If you go sailing be careful, let me know how it goes & where you are) "
Money to afford the sailing that you want to do- so you need to have the budget sorted. Match the boat to the budget & be honest about it. Being unable to afford to keep the boat can cause friction & worry at home. It can spoil the sailing if something goes wrong & one cannot use the boat. It hurts if a bill comes in ( & it will) at a difficult time
Time to do the sailing you want to do- No point getting the boat- be it project or otherwise & not enjoying it. It will end up a millstone around your neck & you will not enjoy the hobby.
If you want to add a fourth, then location would be my choice. A boat 100's of miles away, is no enjoyment (in my view) The travelling is a killer. Going along the M3 & round the M25 on a hot Sunday evening is something to put one right off sailing.
I am lucky. I am 4.4 miles from my marina & love to go to the boat daily, even if just for a chat to the boat. Fettle something that really did not need fettling, talk to other owners etc. Much more civilised
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Praxinoscope
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How true, sorted out most of the litlle niggling bits and pieces which irritated me last year, serviced engine etc., launched, all fine until tried to raise the main, somehow the main halyard had managed to form a relationship with the topping lift somewhere in the mast, so have to get this sorted before can get out under sail. Grrrrrrrr!
RunAgroundHard
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Rubbish, none of your suggestions are needed.
Daydream believer
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Ok, you disagree. I must accept that
Apart from a tax credit & the ability to lower a flag, - Which you seem to think is important- can you tell us what else one might need to answer the OP's question
I am willing to learn where I have gone wrong in helping to solve problems with boating
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oldgit
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Marinas and boatyards are full of large boats remaining firmly attached to bouys and pontoons, owners unable to use them due to
being to big to handle alone and unable to find crew....because.
Kids and/or family group now doing their own thing
All their previous crew/volunteers now in the great marina in the sky.
Alienated all the people who once were prepared to put up with them constantly complaining for 8 hours about how hard life is.
D. In the case of motorboaters, was never any consideration that big boats need big engines and that fuel might ever go above 5 shillings a gallon ?
Concerto
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Out of what? You need a boat first.
Wansworth
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Speaking hypothetically
Fr J Hackett
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I think you are spot on there.
When I owned boats my partner at the time begrudgingly accepted the boat and the time on it and was never really comfortable or happy.
Money was not my problem or hers as I financed the boat and it didn't interfere with anything else although I can see how it would for some.
Time to do the sailing I wanted, that was the big one, I enjoyed passage making and struggled to find the time each year 3 or occasionally 4 weeks continuous was the maximum and that didn't really suit my partner who preferred traditional travel and holidays which meant that I would often sail the boat on my own or with one or two long time friends. I also used to do delivery trips leaving the boat and returning to it later cruising the area then repeating the delivery trip to return it. It also meant a lot of local coastal sailing which became repetitive and often ended with me pushing the limits both conditions and time to sail further.
Location, living in the middle of the UK and keeping the boat 250 miles away didn't help, trying desperately to juggle work on Fridays or Thursday if I was lucky to get an early start to get to the boat and of course the return trip often getting home in the early hours of Monday morning.
Despite all of this I owned boats for over 25 years and during the last 10 to 15 would average over 2,500 miles often more per year. Not the best model and I can see that for many it would be unsustainable.
Stemar
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And until you have to buy something - parts, paint, mooring - and the bill comes in.
The other advantage of a smaller boat is that when my little Snapdragon got wilful, a tug on a line and she'd shape up. My mate's 38 footer would just laugh and pull back - a lot harder than I could pull. Everything just has to be planned so much more carefully on a big boat.