Bestevaer 49

[Neeves]

Pete, I understand that - my problem was not knowing (lacking imagination) how to develop a non continuous attachment (instead of stainless bolts). I have been using nylon bolts for a completely different application (come in all sorts of metric sizes, or at least M2 through M8) but don't know if they would suffice.

Using engine mounts, which I am sure you were not suggesting, would be a bit like overkill - but there maybe some other proprietary devices (which might be used on Noelex yacht - hence wondering how noise was ACTUALLY being suppressed - too often we know something is apparently successful - but don't know how.

Jonathan

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Our solution is no-where near perfect - we still have noise, but reduced

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[Mister E]

How about bolting the pump to plywood with a rubber mount.
Then bolt the plywood down with different bolts and a rubber mount on the other side of the ply.

 

[prv]

Using engine mounts, which I am sure you were not suggesting, would be a bit like overkill - but there maybe some other proprietary devices

There are rubber mounts that are essentially miniature engine mounts - I was just quickly scanning Google images so didn't look at the specs, but I think the page title said that the first of my two pictures is actually M4 threaded, which would make it pretty small.

I have a fuel filter assembly which includes an aluminium plate about 18" square (carrying three filters, plumbing, drip tray, etc) mounted in the engine bay, attached to the plywood bulkhead of the cockpit locker. The bulkhead is well insulated with good soundproofing, but I was concerned about the plate "catching" sound waves from the engine and conducting them through the soundproofing via its mounting legs and vibrating the bulkhead, emitting sound into the locker and thence the cockpit. I don't know if the "catching" mechanism has any substantial effect and the soundproofing company couldn't seem to understand the question when I asked them, but to be on the safe side I mounted the plate on rubber mounts similar to the ones in the picture.

Pete

 

[Neeves]

Pete,

I recall your fuel filter assembly, with drip tray - it was a work of art (and plenty of foresight).

Jonathan

 

[noelex]

Sink storage:

One of the things I love about boats is that there is no shortage of satisfying little projects that can make life better.

When offshore, or for that matter even costal sailing, we use thermos flasks for hot drinks. You can boil the kettle and make enough for several cups of coffee. Perfect for those night watches.

Pouring boiling water when the boat is rolling and pitching needs to be treated with some caution.

The idea of a wooden board that sits across the sink to hold a thermos or other useful equipment, as well as acting as a chopping board is not new, but making your own is not only satisfying, it can tailored to fit exactly what you want. Our board only takes up less than half of one sink so the freshwater tap can still be used with it in place.

I used a router to cut groves underneath so the board drops into place and is quite secure. The timber used has a bit of story. It was originally the front door step to one of our first houses. We eventually knocked down the old house but this lovely thick solid bit of hardwood (of unknown species) was salvaged. The carpenter (who will now will be long dead) would never have imagined the timber he fashioned a century ago for the entrance step of that Australian home could end up on a yacht in the Netherlands. I wonder how many people have entered that house and stepped on the same timber board ? Were any brides carried across the threshold? We had several happy years in that beachside home.

Thoughts to contemplate on those night watches when the stars are out, the universe seems vast and a small boat seems insignificant.

 

[Yngmar]

The pouring problem can be eliminated with a pump thermos can. Very safe to use in any seaway. We've been using it for two years now, and it's one of the better ideas we've picked up on these here forums. Keeps hot water plenty hot for many hours and saves a lot of cooking gas, plus cuts down on time below in rough seas. The filling of the can is surprisingly easy, thanks to the top being essentially a large funnel. The pump mechanism simply pressurizes air into the bottle until the water is forced upwards through the (removable) standpipe, so is maintenance free.

On your custom boat you can probably come up with a better integration for it, although our door straps have been working well enough so far.

 

[noelex]

Thanks, Yngmar. The pressurised action looks ideal for sailing. Could you elaborate a little more on how hot the water stays?

Over the years we have used a few different vacuum flask brands and many do not retain the water temperature well, but we do like our coffee hot so this may not be such an issue for others. The other problem is durability. Some work OK when new but fail completely (lose their vacuum and therefore all their heat retention ability) in a reasonably short time.

To be fair to manufacturers, they have a tough life on a sailboat and we use them often several times a day.

The best brand we have found is Emsa, a German company. I still dont think these are as good as the thick walled units that were available a couple of decades ago, but they are the best modern alternative we have found. These are 4 years old and are still as good as new, although you need to screw on the cup as well as the lid, otherwise they lose heat around the neck area.

Something like you have shown providing it stays hot enough for our needs would be ideal.

 

[Yngmar]

It's the 1.9 litre one, although it seems to have had a redesign since we bought ours. Ours has a flip-up lever for the pump while the current one seems to have a push button. It claims to keep water hot for 12 hours, in reality I'd say it does about half that. If there's lukewarm water left we use it for washing up or pump it straight back into the kettle for reheating (the spout of our kettle fits under the pump outlet, again permitting safe transfer with no spilling).

 

[Neeves]

And on the theme of Thermos and providing satisfying drinks over night on long passages. Its not only drink that is satisfying but a decent bowl of soup or a casserole. We used a Shuttle Chef, from Thermos, and have both a large and smaller version. There is a version in the UK, Mr Bs thermal cooker. We have been using them for decades now and have two at home and two on the boat. You simply make up the 'meal' and bring to the boil on the stove, locate in the thermal cooker, just a big Dewar flask, and about 8 hours later (so you need a bit of planning) you have a healthy sustaining meal for those on watch. Thermal cookers can also be used for making porridge and other delights - and a simply Google search will turn up recipes. There have been a number of threads here on Thermal Cookers, ST and Practical sailor have had articles - there is a wealth of information.

We store ours in the galley sink when on passage but they are fairly spill proof, or are on a catamaran

Don't be beguiled into buying one with polystyrene as the insulation, they do not hold the heat. Obviously don't buying anything that requires power - they are slow cookers as opposed to thermal cookers.

Jonathan

 

[noelex]

Thanks for the info, Yngmar.

 

[noelex]

Some photos of our new yacht. These were taken by Arthur Smeets.

 

[Neeves]

Does the new yacht have a name

Jonathan

 

[Neeves]

As you point out, for those that are anchoring less frequently the shorter life is less of an issue, but we intend to use the new boat in the same way as we sailed for the last 10 years, which is anchoring around 300 days a year. The chain was "end for ended" halfway through its life. Replacing 100m of chain every 3 years is expensive and G7 is difficult to obtain complicating the logistics.

I am not sure it is poor galvanising to blame. If you downsize the chain by one size and look underwater it moves around on the seabed and abrades significantly more. This extra movement also creates more wear in the area where the chain to dich vu lam visa khan chain contact occurs. In addition, the circumference of the thinner chain is less, meaning the same force is concentrated on a smaller contact area. This is the area the chain fails first.

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This is an interesting statement, or series of statements - to what does it refer?? And the link looks very suspect - and should not be used.

I'd have to question the authenticity of the NEW member.

Jonathan

 

[noelex]

It is part of quote from myself but I suspect it is Spam. I will let the mods know.

 

[GHA]

It is part of quote from myself but I suspect it is Spam. I will let the mods know.

Spambots are getting much more human sounding these days to a casual glance, that looks almost certainly spam.

 

[Neeves]

Spambots are getting much more human sounding these days to a casual glance, that looks almost certainly spam.

I'm a bit slow - why is it done?

Jonathan

 

[KellysEye]

I sailed in a lifting keel boat and because the keel is so light in 20 knots up wind the toe rail was just above the water.

 

[Kelpie]

I sailed in a lifting keel boat and because the keel is so light in 20 knots up wind the toe rail was just above the water.

Good for you. And why do you think this has any relevance to the fixed keel Bestevaer? This is the second time you have brought up this point of view.

 

[cueball]

Congratulations she looks the business! I have been following the posts and I know how much thought and work you have put in.

 

[noelex]

Thanks, Cueball.