Best way to learn to sail

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I'm currently learning to sail dinghies at my local lake, but as I don't know anyone who can sail or owns a sailboat, what's the best way to learn? I'm currently looking at buying my first boat, but obviously need to be competent and safe before I go out.
All advice will be very welcome.
 
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Perhaps best to join a club which does some training. And/or take a Start Sailing course at a recognised RYA training centre.

If you choose to give a closer location somebody may be able to suggest a club

Probably better to hold fire buying a boat till done a bit of training and learnt what you need. What is sailed at your local club can also give a guide.
 
Just my thoughts on this . . . .

First, join a sailing or boating club. What sort of club is best for you will depend on whether your first boat is going to be - some sort of dinghy or something larger. If it's going to be a dinghy then there is a large number of clubs all over the country. If it's going to be a bigger boat then look for a club where other people sail the sort of boats you are considering.

Once you are a club member:
  • buy your own sailing kit, whatever is appropriate to the type of boat you are aiming to sail - doing so will, of course, cost money but it should be affordable, will be a good investment anyway and, importantly, will prove to other club members that you are serious.
  • be an enthusiastic member of the club - turn up often and regularly, and get used to helping out
  • make it known that you are keen to learn - if the club offers sailing courses then do one, or two
  • ask if anyone needs a crew, and is willing to put up with an enthusiastic beginner - accept any offer that is made.
After a few months at a decent club, you will have learnt a lot, started sailing, know much more about boats and be better informed about what to do next and what sort of boat to buy. Enjoy!
 
What size boat, and what sort of sailing are you most interested in?
The RYA do a number of courses, which are designed to teach people to sail, and so doing one or more of these would seem a good way to start.
If you're interested in dinghy sailing, then find a local club which does the RYA Level 1, 2 and 3 courses, and sign up. Once you've done level 2, you'll have a much better idea of what sort of boat you might want, plus you'll have seen what is sailed / raced at the club.
If you're more interested in yacht sailing, then going to the coast, and signing up with a sailing school to do a 5 day Competent Crew course would be an excellent introduction. There is far more to yachting than dinghy sailing, as you'll see on a comp crew course.
Don't be in too much of a hurry to buy a boat - they are often money pits, and joining a club, as others have recommended will generally get you lots of sailing with little financial outlay. It is also much easier to buy a boat than sell one.
 
You could do a lot worse than buy a book. The RYA do one called 'Day Skipper'. This covers practically every subject you need to know about for being in charge of a sailing or motor cruiser - admittedly not in great detail. I find that it is a useful one to have at hand for quick reference - and obviously, appropriate for the 'Day Skipper' ticket!
 
Thanks for all your answers. I live in Herts so as previously mentioned I’m learning to sail dinghies at Rickmansworth Sailing club. It’s great fun and I’ve met some lovely people but ultimately my aim is to get a boat I can spend the weekend on. If anyone can recommend a club that has larger boats then that would be great.
 
You could look for sailing schools that do the RYA Competent Crew course, wherever in the world your budget will stretch to. A week aboard in a place as stunning as you choose, you’ll learn a lot about life aboard as well as the mechanics of making the boat go. Accommodation is by its nature included, frankly it’s a fantastic holiday.
 
The best way to learn to sail is undoubtedly to have friends or family with a boat, but if you’re asking the question then I assume that like me, you don’t have that.

The second “best” route is going to depend on what kind of person you are, available funds and available time.

Lots of posters will undoubtedly pile in as they always do with “join a club”. But if there’s not one next door, how do you choose? Then you need the confidence to boldly walk in and say “I’m interested in joining” . Is there a waiting list or weird selection procedure? And then they’ll ask for a few hundred in membership fees up front. If you end up crewing in races, which in my experience is what most people in clubs are looking for crew for, are you actually going to be learning anything about safe cruising which you can take and apply to sailing your own boat?

The bad things about RYA courses is that they cost money and take you holiday days. The good thing is that you get well designed courses honed over decades and delivered by someone whose actual job is teaching sailing and you eventually end up with qualifications which will allow you to charter for holidays and may be helpful if you take your own boat abroad. It’s a straightforward financial arrangement and you know the product you’re buying…unlike joining a sailing club.

How did I learn to sail “properly” in my 30s? I quit my job, used savings to do a 4 month intensive yachtmaster course then signed up to do deliveries, but that probably won’t work for the socially conservative with 2.4 kids and a mortgage.

For most people, the RYA courses are a safe bet. Combine those with taking any opportunity to sail anything with anyone at any chance you get but bearing in mind that your skipper could have been sailing for 60 years and, like random people you meet at a sailing club, have some very dubious/unsafe practices.
 
I would recommend a nice holiday in themed at oneofthebeach clubs. Menorca Sailing or Wildwind if you want serious instruction. A week or 2 sailing everyday in warm water wiĺ speed you along. Learning to sail a dinghy will teach you how to sail much more quickly than being g on a yacht. Then once you can sail you can more sensibly learn the stuff you need to know to yacht.. If you know how to sail and you have spent a week or two learning the ropes on a yacht you should find yourself in high demand by yacht owners in need of crew
 
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I would recommend a nice holiday in themed at oneofthebeach clubs. Menorca Sailing or Wildwind if you want serious instruction. A week or 2 sailing everyday in warm water wiĺ speed you along. Learning to sail a dinghy will teach you how to sail much more quickly than being g on a yacht. Then once you can sail you can more sensibly learn the stuff you need to know to yacht.. If you know how to sail and you have spent a week or two learning the ropes on a yacht you should find yourself in high demand by yacht owners in need of crew
I’ve actually got a Weeks dinghy Sailing holiday in October coming up in Greece, I plan to sail every day. There are also RYA instructors there so I’m hoping to learn a lot.
 
Clubs like www.PhoenixYachtClub.c.uk and Brighton Belle.

There's a third one I'm acquainted with (a classic of about 50' or 60'?) but I can't remember its name.

You can get your Competent Crew and Day Skipper for cheap with Phoenix.
Thank you so much for this, Phoenix yacht club looks like it could be perfect for me, I have filled out the form already to hopefully do a trial sail.
 
Contact Colne Yacht Club Brightlingsea - they have a small fleet of Club Sonatas and will take beginners - fun social sailing and RYA training - various options. Will help you decide what you would like. Half tide moorings available in the harbour.

What sort of boat are you thinking about - how big - and from Hertfordshire which direction are you thinking of going - East coast or South. Just you or family?
 
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Thanks for all your answers. I live in Herts so as previously mentioned I’m learning to sail dinghies at Rickmansworth Sailing club. It’s great fun and I’ve met some lovely people but ultimately my aim is to get a boat I can spend the weekend on. If anyone can recommend a club that has larger boats then that would be great.
That’s slightly more information but it’s still a bit vague, perhaps because you don't yet know what you don't know. People weekend in wayfarers (16') and some masochists in even smaller stuff. I assume what you are really asking though is how can you move from dinghies to small yachts?
The best way to learn to sail is undoubtedly to have friends or family with a boat, but if you’re asking the question then I assume that like me, you don’t have that.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that! The best way to get experience sailing is possibly to have free access to a boat - but friends are not necessarily good instructors and family are often difficult teachers / learners!
Lots of posters will undoubtedly pile in as they always do with “join a club”. But if there’s not one next door, how do you choose? Then you need the confidence to boldly walk in and say “I’m interested in joining” . Is there a waiting list or weird selection procedure? And then they’ll ask for a few hundred in membership fees up front. If you end up crewing in races, which in my experience is what most people in clubs are looking for crew for, are you actually going to be learning anything about safe cruising which you can take and apply to sailing your own boat?
I would agree with that critique. I've also met people who have crewed an entire season and just followed instructions, because mid race nobody has time to teach you or wants to let the beginner take the helm and lose speed. Some clubs specifically cater for this with race classes designed to encourage newbie development. But certainly not all clubs are created equal. And clubs which are great at teaching might not be affordable to keep a boat at if that is a future consideration.
The bad things about RYA courses is that they cost money and take you holiday days. The good thing is that you get well designed courses honed over decades and delivered by someone whose actual job is teaching sailing and you eventually end up with qualifications which will allow you to charter for holidays and may be helpful if you take your own boat abroad. It’s a straightforward financial arrangement and you know the product you’re buying…unlike joining a sailing club.
Many sailing clubs are RYA training centres which MIGHT make it cheaper, but often with volunteer instructors it will take you a whole season to learn what you can in a weekend or two; and if you arrive halfway through the course you have a long wait until the next one.
but bearing in mind that your skipper could have been sailing for 60 years and, like random people you meet at a sailing club, have some very dubious/unsafe practices.
and that is also true of family/friends so don't worry that you aren't well connected - they might be a liability if you were!
I’ve actually got a Weeks dinghy Sailing holiday in October coming up in Greece, I plan to sail every day. There are also RYA instructors there so I’m hoping to learn a lot.
If you've already been sailing in the UK and then spend a week sailing in Greece, you should come away with the essentials of the wind (if you get the chance to windsurf for a day when you are there it is brilliant for learning to feel the wind and how it drives the "boat"). One thing to be aware of on foreign beach holidays - many of the customers want to spend as much time as possible playing in the sea, so I'm told they tend to rig the boat for you, you hop on and sail away. I know someone who spent a week there and never touched a halyard or outhaul etc! So do ask them to help you learn that stuff too. You probably won't learn to reef, anchor, motor onto a pontoon, tie up with springs, use a chart, understand tides or a whole heap of other stuff that is actually useful for cruising. You might learn about trapeezing, beaching a boat, capsize recovery, trimming a boat etc which are much less relevant to yachts - so making the transition before getting too far down the learning pathway will make a difference. You CAN learn all that stuff about cruising in dinghies but most clubs (and even training centres) are not focussed on that and more likely to teach racing dinghy stuff than cruising them.

If you are looking at weekending, perhaps you are looking at a boat mid 20ft ish (both bigger and smaller are viable) but almost nobody uses those boats for organised teaching. Either than are 16ft or less, or probably 40ft or more to cram as many punters on as possible.

BTW - I think BrightonBelle is a great initiative, unfortunately I *think* that is a legacy page and the club was/is in the process of selling up. Perhaps not what you were looking for anyway but I'm surprised the model hasn't been more widely copied.
 
That’s slightly more information but it’s still a bit vague, perhaps because you don't yet know what you don't know. People weekend in wayfarers (16') and some masochists in even smaller stuff. I assume what you are really asking though is how can you move from dinghies to small yachts?

I'm not sure I'd agree with that! The best way to get experience sailing is possibly to have free access to a boat - but friends are not necessarily good instructors and family are often difficult teachers / learners!

I would agree with that critique. I've also met people who have crewed an entire season and just followed instructions, because mid race nobody has time to teach you or wants to let the beginner take the helm and lose speed. Some clubs specifically cater for this with race classes designed to encourage newbie development. But certainly not all clubs are created equal. And clubs which are great at teaching might not be affordable to keep a boat at if that is a future consideration.

Many sailing clubs are RYA training centres which MIGHT make it cheaper, but often with volunteer instructors it will take you a whole season to learn what you can in a weekend or two; and if you arrive halfway through the course you have a long wait until the next one.

and that is also true of family/friends so don't worry that you aren't well connected - they might be a liability if you were!

If you've already been sailing in the UK and then spend a week sailing in Greece, you should come away with the essentials of the wind (if you get the chance to windsurf for a day when you are there it is brilliant for learning to feel the wind and how it drives the "boat"). One thing to be aware of on foreign beach holidays - many of the customers want to spend as much time as possible playing in the sea, so I'm told they tend to rig the boat for you, you hop on and sail away. I know someone who spent a week there and never touched a halyard or outhaul etc! So do ask them to help you learn that stuff too. You probably won't learn to reef, anchor, motor onto a pontoon, tie up with springs, use a chart, understand tides or a whole heap of other stuff that is actually useful for cruising. You might learn about trapeezing, beaching a boat, capsize recovery, trimming a boat etc which are much less relevant to yachts - so making the transition before getting too far down the learning pathway will make a difference. You CAN learn all that stuff about cruising in dinghies but most clubs (and even training centres) are not focussed on that and more likely to teach racing dinghy stuff than cruising them.

If you are looking at weekending, perhaps you are looking at a boat mid 20ft ish (both bigger and smaller are viable) but almost nobody uses those boats for organised teaching. Either than are 16ft or less, or probably 40ft or more to cram as many punters on as possible.

BTW - I think BrightonBelle is a great initiative, unfortunately I *think* that is a legacy page and the club was/is in the process of selling up. Perhaps not what you were looking for anyway but I'm surprised the model hasn't been more widely copied.
 
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Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed reply, I think you’re correct about Brighton Belle, but forum member Kompetent Krew pointed me in the direction of Phoenix Sailing Club which I believe is a very similar thing.
 
Don’t underestimate your worth as crew, there’s loads of boat owners that need you.

Admittedly some of these owners have frightened everyone else away by shouting and/or their incompetence but you’ll soon be head hunted for other boats if you’re keen.

Get your foot in the door of an active yacht club as others have suggested and make yourself available.

I’d not get too excited about the length of the boat you’re learning on, any experience will be useful.
 
Don’t underestimate your worth as crew, there’s loads of boat owners that need you.

Admittedly some of these owners have frightened everyone else away by shouting and/or their incompetence but you’ll soon be head hunted for other boats if you’re keen.

Get your foot in the door of an active yacht club as others have suggested and make yourself available.

I’d not get too excited about the length of the boat you’re learning on, any experience will be useful.
Up until this point, I’d never really thought about being crew. But the idea of crewing in a race actually really appeals to me.
 
In addition to all the training options that are already mentioned, start crewing on a boat that races regularly.

Many see racing as a level of sailing that they will never want to get to in their lives. I don’t agree with that, and see it as an activity that you do alongside with other kinds of sailing at all levels, Racing gives you skills that keep you safe when cruising.

You learn how to prevent mishaps on a boat before they happen and how to fix them if they do. You get to know your limits and a boat’s. You learn how to work efficiently. That all makes you an overall better sailor.

Crewing on racing yachts also give you a lot of opportunities to build miles for free.

NB not every racing boat has the same attitude. You can find plenty of club racers that are happy to be patient with new crew, and look for reliable people and not for rock star sailors.
 
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