lpdsn
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J109's are still overpriced.
Best fast cruiser/racer
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J109's are still overpriced.
flaming
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Well you certainly can get a 109 for under £100k now.
doug748
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True:
http://www.keyyachting.com/brokerage/brokerage-boat-details/?BoatID=4450868
I know this boat and there is nothing wrong with it that I am aware of.
halyardmonkey.
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Dufour 34s... Looks modern. Good interior. Fast in the right hands with the right sails.
Sailfree
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As a fast cruiser I like X boats and Arcona but I think narrower beam boats of same length built more for racing will perform better.
Lots recommend their own boat so i will add - I do not recommend mine - slow fat beamed but comfortable - SWMBO would say like me!!
Lots recommend their own boat so i will add - I do not recommend mine - slow fat beamed but comfortable - SWMBO would say like me!!
Lucky Duck
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From a personal perspective it seems a shame that the Xp33 is a rather too race focused but I can't yet bring myself to contemplate a boat with the fixed 'windscreen' on the Xc35.
flaming
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So it's an X34 for you then!
doris
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Modern concept
Back in the days when Sigmas first hit the cruiser racer scene with such success there were lots of successful racers that were also genuine cruisers.
Today the divide between the two concepts is almost total so it very much depend so how much the OP is prepared to compromise the cruising side. Flaming's Élan 37 is not really an exciting boat in racing terms but it is as a cruiser. Just how exciting does the OP wish to get. X, Élan, Dehler, First, Sunfast, Bavaria Match plus assorted others will do the job as exciting cruisers.
If the OP really scours the market he will find a forced seller of something that ticks the boxes at the bargain price, then he can spend a fortune on Parker and Kay, ne. Quantum, sails and be very competitive.
The kit on the boat and crew are much more important when racing than the boat.
Back in the days when Sigmas first hit the cruiser racer scene with such success there were lots of successful racers that were also genuine cruisers.
Today the divide between the two concepts is almost total so it very much depend so how much the OP is prepared to compromise the cruising side. Flaming's Élan 37 is not really an exciting boat in racing terms but it is as a cruiser. Just how exciting does the OP wish to get. X, Élan, Dehler, First, Sunfast, Bavaria Match plus assorted others will do the job as exciting cruisers.
If the OP really scours the market he will find a forced seller of something that ticks the boxes at the bargain price, then he can spend a fortune on Parker and Kay, ne. Quantum, sails and be very competitive.
The kit on the boat and crew are much more important when racing than the boat.
Lucky Duck
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I see the OP is still active here, maybe he could let us know what be bought in the four years that have passed by since the start of the thread.
doris
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Whoops! Just noticed the original date of the OP. Now I understand the post about vested interests.
Must pay more attention.
Must pay more attention.
A1Sailor
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Strangely, G&M hasn't (haven't?) been back to participate in the thread he/she/they resurrected. 
If they do have an interest in the "Winner 900" they could perhaps have declared this!
If they do have an interest in the "Winner 900" they could perhaps have declared this!
Polux
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It is dificult to give a suggestion. You don't say if you want a new boat (and that means a small one) or if you want a bigger used sailboat. The size of a sailboat you need is a personal decision depending on factors that only you know.
If it is a new boat I would suggest the new Elan 320. It has the same hull of the 310, has a better and great cruising interior and has a proven record in racing, both in short crew/solo or crewed racing. the prices:
http://www.argolis-yacht.com/pdf/Pricelist_E320_08062013.pdf
The test on the 310:
http://youtu.be/mOyaB3GyESY
The 320 is just a bit better, lighter and with a better interior (lot's of interior space)
Unless you want to spend a bit more and decide to have one of these babies (lovely boats):
http://interestingsailboats.blogspot.pt/2014/03/rm-890-one-of-best-rm-ever.html
If the idea is a bigger boat with few years I would suggest looking for it in Italy, Spain and Portugal where the crisis lowered the prices of the boats. Good options, among others, would be the Dufour 40 performance, the Elan 380, the Salona 37 and the Comet 38s. I would choose the best deal: the newer boat in better condition.
If it is a new boat I would suggest the new Elan 320. It has the same hull of the 310, has a better and great cruising interior and has a proven record in racing, both in short crew/solo or crewed racing. the prices:
http://www.argolis-yacht.com/pdf/Pricelist_E320_08062013.pdf
The test on the 310:
http://youtu.be/mOyaB3GyESY
The 320 is just a bit better, lighter and with a better interior (lot's of interior space)
Unless you want to spend a bit more and decide to have one of these babies (lovely boats):
http://interestingsailboats.blogspot.pt/2014/03/rm-890-one-of-best-rm-ever.html
If the idea is a bigger boat with few years I would suggest looking for it in Italy, Spain and Portugal where the crisis lowered the prices of the boats. Good options, among others, would be the Dufour 40 performance, the Elan 380, the Salona 37 and the Comet 38s. I would choose the best deal: the newer boat in better condition.
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Seven Spades
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Why don't you look at a Reflex 38, they go really well and are easily within your budget.
