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[PowerYachtBlog]

I assume that sagging headlinings are a fault with the adhesive and the issue with the lacquers used at that time is well documented and impacted other boat builders. As I said, I wish my headlinings were velcro'ed in place, as they are today they won't come off even if I pull them as hard as I can! Yep, I concede that velco plus some timber fillets etc would be better but do Cranchi really make them like that (seems a little at odds with their high volume reputation)?

I cannot understand how you protect velcro workmanship on a boat. Any boat. I mean if tappets are better, but with those you can still find your galley on the floor.
Are boat designed with velcro and tappets really intended for a sea use. The sea is never flat literally. A few times it is flat.
But boats build this way are build for the river not the sea.

As for Cranchi what you will need to check over time is some of the bolt on materials as for example the bathing platform fittings made of alloy with stainless steel bolts.
So some fittings in Cranchi are on the economic side of things. But anyways if someone managed to build a boat to a price point and still have really minor quality it was them.

 

[petem]

I cannot understand how you protect velcro workmanship on a boat. Any boat. I mean if tappets are better, but with those you can still find your galley on the floor.

For the avoidance of doubt, it's "3m Dual Lock" (or something like that) not Velcro. Via my Fairline owners club website, I see many requests for help / advice and I cannot recall ever seeing someone complain that their Velcro attached ceiling panels kept falling down. Indeed, many people don't realise they are held on with Velcro as it's so hard to pull them away. Yep, you could build all kinds of fancy solutions (trim fillets, etc) but what's the point if Velcro gives an acceptable performance / access / cost solution?

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

For the avoidance of doubt, it's "3m Dual Lock" (or something like that) not Velcro. Via my Fairline owners club website, I see many requests for help / advice and I cannot recall ever seeing someone complain that their Velcro attached ceiling panels kept falling down. Indeed, many people don't realise they are held on with Velcro as it's so hard to pull them away. Yep, you could build all kinds of fancy solutions (trim fillets, etc) but what's the point if Velcro gives an acceptable performance / access / cost solution?

A few years back a friend of mine was coming down with a 1996 Fairline 37 Targa and the headliner all fell down, thanks to the spacious velcro fitted, and this included the side furniture fitted with tappets of the forward stateroom.
This was in a following sea of 1.5 meters and a route of 50 nm.

Couple years back while driving up the Ionian sea I meet a Princess 78 who came from a following sea, and this had all its headliners all dismantled in both upper and lower deck.

3M products are all very good. If they are fit for purpose on a 25 knots boat banging against waves doing the same sort of speed I have no knowledge off.
If the cases above reflect a 3M product that I cannot tell you, in the past for example Fairine boats used to be advertised in the selling data leflet for having Racor or similar filters, yet in most boats you would encounter Separ.

What I can tell you is that the boats above got dismantled in moderate choppy seas, thanks to the nice detail of velcro.

 

[Whitelighter]

The roof panels on my Ferretti are held on with some sort of locking Velcro.
Almost impossible to get the blooming things off

 

[rafiki_]

The roof panels on my Ferretti are held on with some sort of locking Velcro.
Almost impossible to get the blooming things off

Same with my Azi Jez!

 

[petem]

Fairine boats used to be advertised in the selling date reflet for having Racor or similar filters, yet in most boats you would encounter Saper.

Separ filters installed in my Fairline.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Same with my Azi Jez!

I've had various British boats and various Italian ones. All I can say is that the Italians are better at making their boats with internal panels that dont fall off than we Brits. I guess it must be the famed Mediterranean diet or something

 

[kashurst]

For the avoidance of doubt, it's "3m Dual Lock" (or something like that) not Velcro. Via my Fairline owners club website, I see many requests for help / advice and I cannot recall ever seeing someone complain that their Velcro attached ceiling panels kept falling down. Indeed, many people don't realise they are held on with Velcro as it's so hard to pull them away. Yep, you could build all kinds of fancy solutions (trim fillets, etc) but what's the point if Velcro gives an acceptable performance / access / cost solution?

you are not going fast enough, let me drive and I bet I can make them fall down.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Separ filters installed in my Fairline.

To be exact Racor or similar was advised in the larger boats not in the Targa stern drive series.

 

[A_8]

3M dual lock is impressive for the dual lock part but in my experiance the adhesive gives away after 5 yrs or so. I think its beneficial that you can take it down and eventhough I was a bit upset the first time they fell down I now think just replace the 3M stuff when they get old.

 

[rafiki_]

I've had various British boats and various Italian ones. All I can say is that the Italians are better at making their boats with internal panels that dont fall off than we Brits. I guess it must be the famed Mediterranean diet or something

Mike, I think it is more to do with heat. Clearly the panels become more flexible at higher soak temps, therefore fixings need to be more resilient to cope. Italians more familiar with extended higher temps than Brits. In the auto industry we leave panels in the Arizona sun for extended periods to check the effect of ozone and temp decay.

 

[Richard.C]

I've found the dual loc to hold well to itself but the issue I see on my Fairline is the dual loc is stuck to wood, a porus surface that doesn't hold self adhesive dual loc particularly well. Had those panels been varnished or painted I think the dual loc would probably hold much better and longer.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

I've found the dual loc to hold well to itself but the issue I see on my Fairline is the dual loc is stuck to wood, a porus surface that doesn't hold self adhesive dual loc particularly well. Had those panels been varnished or painted I think the dual loc would probably hold much better and longer.

Yep I've found this as well. If you reglue them using superflue, this solves the problem.

 

[Paul_S123]

Looks like might have changed (as probably you guys expected lol) now about to sign on a 2006 Fairline Phantom with 380 hours....comments re this boat please.

 

[kashurst]

which one 46,48 or 50 ?

 

[Paul_S123]

which one 46,48 or 50 ?

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