andyball
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Does anyone know if there any good....Thinking about buying one, but do not know much about them....thanks
beneteau ombrine ???
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jfm
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Re: Floating designer hotel, test recently
there was a test in MBM or MBY about 6 mths ago and the test boat had manufacturing defects (cant rem exactly, something like the bulkhead coming unstuck due to poor glassfibre work, or something) which beneteau said they would fix. Other than that it looked pretty good, nice interior by Philippe Starck if I recall so if you're a regular at the Mondrian/Royalton/Paramount you'll feel very much at home
JFM
there was a test in MBM or MBY about 6 mths ago and the test boat had manufacturing defects (cant rem exactly, something like the bulkhead coming unstuck due to poor glassfibre work, or something) which beneteau said they would fix. Other than that it looked pretty good, nice interior by Philippe Starck if I recall so if you're a regular at the Mondrian/Royalton/Paramount you'll feel very much at home
JFM
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Re: sounds ok
Which size? They are probly all nice and worryingly cheap for a sterling purchaser, but no known horrors hereabouts, and about four zillion beneteau fishy/speedboats all around french coastline.
Which size? They are probly all nice and worryingly cheap for a sterling purchaser, but no known horrors hereabouts, and about four zillion beneteau fishy/speedboats all around french coastline.
andyball
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Re: sounds ok
...which size?......The 550 actually. Seems too cheap...even compared to a jeanneau 565 WA which is similar?
We'll await a sea trial!
...which size?......The 550 actually. Seems too cheap...even compared to a jeanneau 565 WA which is similar?
We'll await a sea trial!
jfm
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Re: beneteau ombrine
Just to clarify, the MBY test with the dodgy fibreglass was the 960 model. It's only the 960 and 800 that have the Starck interieure, the others presumably have interiors done by designers of non-designer hotels, or even Travelodges.
Actually I think they are excellent build and value. I've used the mid-sized Antares models a lot and they're fantastic. Would definitely choose one of these if looking for this size/type of boat. Only comment is that hp ratings for the outboard models seem a bit woosy. The 550 looks like it would be much more fun with a lightweight 125hp instead of a 90, speshully with 4 or 5 people on board, and the marginal extra cost on the whole package would be tiny
Also when buying an outboard boat be very careful of pricing if you buy a package. Outboards are heavily discounted below list, so take their package price and compare it with bareboat+trailer to see really how much they're really billing you for the outboard. For straight cash you can get a Merc 125hp 2 stroke for £5400. This is kosher with 3yr warranty, not grey import
Good luck
JFM
Just to clarify, the MBY test with the dodgy fibreglass was the 960 model. It's only the 960 and 800 that have the Starck interieure, the others presumably have interiors done by designers of non-designer hotels, or even Travelodges.
Actually I think they are excellent build and value. I've used the mid-sized Antares models a lot and they're fantastic. Would definitely choose one of these if looking for this size/type of boat. Only comment is that hp ratings for the outboard models seem a bit woosy. The 550 looks like it would be much more fun with a lightweight 125hp instead of a 90, speshully with 4 or 5 people on board, and the marginal extra cost on the whole package would be tiny
Also when buying an outboard boat be very careful of pricing if you buy a package. Outboards are heavily discounted below list, so take their package price and compare it with bareboat+trailer to see really how much they're really billing you for the outboard. For straight cash you can get a Merc 125hp 2 stroke for £5400. This is kosher with 3yr warranty, not grey import
Good luck
JFM
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Re: ah but
when the outboard breaks the boat or the steering gets fouled by the boaty bit, then they'll say ahh but that's your hardware oops er well you see what I mean. The package gives complete system, so it's yerownfolt if it doesn't all werk together.
when the outboard breaks the boat or the steering gets fouled by the boaty bit, then they'll say ahh but that's your hardware oops er well you see what I mean. The package gives complete system, so it's yerownfolt if it doesn't all werk together.
duncan
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There was a test in MB&Y around late 1996 'Tale of 4 Walkrounds' from memory and it included the 550. You may wish to get a reprint. I believe it was favourable.
There is a sudden rush of smaller European walkrounds at the moment and you could look at Galion& Faeton as well as the French entries. Any largish importer should be able to get a good price on a non DFI 2 stroke - which saves enough cash to pay for the petrol! However, the 4 strokes really are quite at the lower revs - for those restricted speed places.
Good luck - and I do recomend the walkround concept - had DellQuay 660 - now Faeton 780.
There is a sudden rush of smaller European walkrounds at the moment and you could look at Galion& Faeton as well as the French entries. Any largish importer should be able to get a good price on a non DFI 2 stroke - which saves enough cash to pay for the petrol! However, the 4 strokes really are quite at the lower revs - for those restricted speed places.
Good luck - and I do recomend the walkround concept - had DellQuay 660 - now Faeton 780.
jfm
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Re: warranty aspects
Re matts comment on warranty, yes true but hey come on live dangerously. The choice is warranty for the whole set up but a slow 90hp, or warranty for boat, warranty for 125hp motor, but no warranty for the boat/motor interface. A price worrth paying I think, as they are pretty simple boats and the only complex bit is the motor
As a guess the 125hp will do 42-43 knots lightly loaded (take a bit of care driving it!) and the 90hp 33-35kts. Loaded up with say 5 people and gear the speeds might be 37knots/29knots. So the 125 is much more fun.
I think it will cost the same as the 90hp package because of discounts for engines.
Re Duncan's comments, yes the 4 strokes are quieter at low speed but not by much these days as the 2 strokes have now got very quiet too. At high speeds say 3000rpm cruise and above ther eis not much in it. On a boat like this I dont think the extra £3k for 4 stroke, plus a modest weight penalty, is worth it. The Honda 4 strokes are going cheap now but beware they are very heavy (200lbs more than Merc Yamaha for 115/130 hp) and can make the transom too near the water at rest while fishing (as in, the boat fills with water if there are waves). The Honda is the Accord 2 litre car engine whereas the Merc Yamaha is a purpose designed 4 stroke marine engine designed by Yamaha and jolly nice
JFM
Re matts comment on warranty, yes true but hey come on live dangerously. The choice is warranty for the whole set up but a slow 90hp, or warranty for boat, warranty for 125hp motor, but no warranty for the boat/motor interface. A price worrth paying I think, as they are pretty simple boats and the only complex bit is the motor
As a guess the 125hp will do 42-43 knots lightly loaded (take a bit of care driving it!) and the 90hp 33-35kts. Loaded up with say 5 people and gear the speeds might be 37knots/29knots. So the 125 is much more fun.
I think it will cost the same as the 90hp package because of discounts for engines.
Re Duncan's comments, yes the 4 strokes are quieter at low speed but not by much these days as the 2 strokes have now got very quiet too. At high speeds say 3000rpm cruise and above ther eis not much in it. On a boat like this I dont think the extra £3k for 4 stroke, plus a modest weight penalty, is worth it. The Honda 4 strokes are going cheap now but beware they are very heavy (200lbs more than Merc Yamaha for 115/130 hp) and can make the transom too near the water at rest while fishing (as in, the boat fills with water if there are waves). The Honda is the Accord 2 litre car engine whereas the Merc Yamaha is a purpose designed 4 stroke marine engine designed by Yamaha and jolly nice
JFM
andyball
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Thanks for the replies.....I can't find any references to the magazine articles using the ybw search facility, even looking specifically at MBM or MBY boat test lists, so I'll try 'phoning their reprints service...
JFM would be disgusted to learn we'd thought of a 50hp yamaha fourstroke, engine-wise....peace+economy when pottering around chichester harbour is the idea; and 20knots+? flat out maybe?
The walkround bit is so my wife who uses crutches/wheelchair can enjoy more of the boat than just the cockpit/cabin(big cupboard really)
We can currently be seen bobbing around with her in the wheelchair, in the cockpit!...it's more comfy than the bench seats our present boat has,and probably gets us more open mouthed stares than many a flashy boat!
I couldn't find any galeon walkrounds, and the faetons are too big (read: more than our budget).
Thanks again
JFM would be disgusted to learn we'd thought of a 50hp yamaha fourstroke, engine-wise....peace+economy when pottering around chichester harbour is the idea; and 20knots+? flat out maybe?
The walkround bit is so my wife who uses crutches/wheelchair can enjoy more of the boat than just the cockpit/cabin(big cupboard really)
We can currently be seen bobbing around with her in the wheelchair, in the cockpit!...it's more comfy than the bench seats our present boat has,and probably gets us more open mouthed stares than many a flashy boat!
I couldn't find any galeon walkrounds, and the faetons are too big (read: more than our budget).
Thanks again
duncan
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Sorry - it would seem both Galeon and Faeton walkrounds are in the 6.5m up range rather than 5.5 - my mistake!
on budget issues - they are only askig 13 1/2 for my old 6.6m walkround and thats with a 4 wheel trailer and 175 Mercury engine! Only for info - I have no financial interest in it at all.
I can't let you have the article as I gave it to Tameside as part of the 'paperwork' I had amassed on the Dell Quay before buying it and I think the 550 was on the back of that. Will do a quick check next time I am home.
good luck
on budget issues - they are only askig 13 1/2 for my old 6.6m walkround and thats with a 4 wheel trailer and 175 Mercury engine! Only for info - I have no financial interest in it at all.
I can't let you have the article as I gave it to Tameside as part of the 'paperwork' I had amassed on the Dell Quay before buying it and I think the 550 was on the back of that. Will do a quick check next time I am home.
good luck