Bene- transom popped out

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Just when I thought I may have seen it all...With that method of construction, combined with rudder deeper than keel - even if it was not the same would still apply - it does seem a tad obvious, I'd hope ( in a way ) that the designer intended a lot of glassing in and stiffening, but this was a 'Friday Afternoon Boat' ???!

Edited as Mark-1's post was simultaneous, I'd have thought it fair enough to have strong rudder fittings and backing, without pulling the whole transom clean out like something from a cartoon !
 
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Makes me glad my boat is an old one, hand laid up in one go with no joints like that.....


Yes sir'ee that's no way to make a boat, underwater joints, pah!

Hang on a tick, my boat was cobbled together out of two halves. Bloody Hell.

Revise that earlier thought; it's a sensible and workmanlike idea, how may joints does a wooden boat have?
 

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Blimey. That joint looks pathetic - I'd have expect loads of GRP layup bridging the gap inside but it looks as if there nothing more than glue round the flange on the transom.
 

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Agree with the article that it is essentially bad design to have a boat whose deepest point is the rudder, unless that rudder has provision to kick up.
Even my Wayfarer has a kick-up facility... you can buy a special cam-cleat that releases under impact should you ground... and I get quite nervous running into shallow water with the board up and usually hold the rudder downhaul in my hand, ready to let fly.
Although I doubt a Wayfarer would actually lose it's transom if the rudder grounded! What with it being a properly built boat, etc etc.

Is this method of construction (separately moulded transom) quite normal these days? The shape of a modern boat would suggest so.
 

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I'm quite glad to have a boat with no transom whatsoever!

Well this owner nearly got to emulate you !

I don't know the particular design, but wouldn't mind betting it has an aft cabin; it's no excuse for the lack of glassing in etc, but I can't help wondering if more structure aft in general may have prevented the hull from flexing and 'popping' out the transom ?

And yes, if the keel must be shallower than the rudder, a frangible lower section of the rudder seems a good idea !
 

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This form is common on boats with 'scoop' sterns and makes fitting out much easier. But most boats don't hang the rudder on the transom.
 

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OK so most larger boats don't have transom hung rudders, but I don't really see that as an excuse !

Does this mean one should not rest one's feet on the end in aft cabins ??! May be worth bearing in mind as an emergency escape route I suppose...

TK, 'frangible' always was a popular word in my old workplace, as practice bombs and real torpedos had the pointy bits protected by frangible wotsits.
 

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dunno if this is old news

and if it is the item will sink like a stone

http://www.beneteau235.com/f235_rudder.htm

I guess it shows the rudder is pretty strong

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Well I think it is safe to say that the second hand market for Beneteau 235's has just been wiped out!!! Hope some surveyors are taking note..!!! On a serious note from a construction/design perspective this is appauling and I hope this does not reflect on the current models!
 

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This seems a fair response to the "Why do we take the P out of Ben-Jen-Bav's?"

And, "Joints on wooden boats" always run fore & aft do they not? Has anyone ever seen a Clinker boat with vertical joints between the planking so that a grounding will rip them open? :confused:

I didn't think so. :cool:
 

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Errrm, surely transoms on wooden boats are attached as a panel in a similar way? Unless it's canoe stern or smack I guess. But they wouldn't have a rudder deeper than the keel, usually being very low aspect ratio.
 
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