Bavaria Yachts

Bat21 said:
to claim your Hyundai is as good as a Bentley, Jaguar or Aston Martin because essentially it does the same job is misguided.
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To claim your Vancouver 34 is as good as a Beneteau, Jeunneau or Bavaria because essentially it does the same job is misguided.
Please enjoy your choice, you made it of your own free will, may it give you many years of pleasure.
 
fireball said:
Hand Made or Custom Build items in most fields command a premium because they sell to a market that require something 'out of the norm' and cost more because they are heavy in the labour cost. To state that they are all of 'considerably better quality and performance' is such a sweeping statement that it cannot possibly be true ...

Recently we've had posts of Bavaria lost it's rig, a Delher that cannot take the ground as well as an HR with a de-laminated hull ... All 3 in different price brackets and built for different markets with pricing to match.

Your post was 'bashing' Bavaria's and Legends as you originally stated "The fact is, Bavaria owners know exactly what they have bought as do most of the owners of Legends unless, they were inexperienced and influenced by the claims of an unscrupulous dealer. " which implies that Bavaria and Legends are sub-standard.

Fact is that the vast majority of the "inferior" boats are still in service and have not fallen to bits. Many of these have done significant offshore passages/voyages as well.
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By'eck you Bavaria owners are touchy lot.

This is the first thread I have replied to concerning Bav's ( I think ) and that's because I believed that I had some factual knowledge to input......In reality defending Bav's or this incident anyway.

There's a lot of threads that have been on this forum previously and in most cases you have all risen very well to the bait, why?

You've all made your choice and paid your money and gained a yacht that you are happy with....... I hope !

As for the comparison with cars, remember all the Skoda jokes, now they're a market leader with a good product realistically priced against their big brother, VW/Audi.
There's really no bad cars on the road now and this is down to the ability to manufacture well. (lets not start a thread on cars please).

The same with yachts, as with cars, to stay competitive if they can find a way to cut corners and save money they will for sure. This I would say is reflected in the pricing...

As I have said before, a Bavaria is just not for me, my choice and wouldn't it be boring if the sea was only full of them. I suppose you could all have good club race's though as long
as nothing fell off, oops sorry for that couldn't resist......

The more you have to defend something the more suspect people become of the motive ! So my advice to you Bav owner's just say the B word and it ends in ollocks and smile......

Now I'm waiting for the "B's"

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Bat21 said:
I am well aware of my values thank you.

I made no comparison between your Bavaria and anything, I was merely pointing out that you get what you pay for and, it would be unrealistic to expect anything else.

In point of fact I started this saga by, commenting on the unfairness of condemning people for making their considered choice and, also the futility of trying to justify that choice by making things out to be other than they actually are. QED



Please enjoy your choice, you made it of your own free will, may it give you many years of pleasure. :)
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What is that work i am looking for....???.......patronising and the next one starts with 'B' also:p
 
Robin said:
Actually my Hyundai Santa Fe won the 4 x 4 award of the year beating offerings from the nose up brigade, not to mention it has a standard 5 year warranty. Jaguar is made by Ford these days and the likes of BMW and Audi usually frequent the lower end of the reliability stats. Quite what all that has to do with the price of beans I really don't know.
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Quite so but, may I respectfully point out that, Jaguars have always been built by Jaguar no matter who owned the name and, Ford sold Jaguar and Land Rover some time ago .
 
Bat21 said:
Quite so but, may I respectfully point out that, Jaguars have always been built by Jaguar no matter who owned the name and, Ford sold Jaguar and Land Rover some time ago .
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I think you will find the X type is built on a ford mondeo base and ford owned both J and LR until they sold them both last year to Tata...
 
Bat21 said:
For the record, I would never criticise another persons choice of boat or anything else for that matter.
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For whatever reason you decided to round off your post with "cheaper, a lot less well".

This is a bit like UberGeeky introducing the heinous chopper gun GRP layup method earlier in the thread while we are debating why a bow should break away. UberGeeky has absolutely no basis to state that a chopper gun has ever been sighted in a Bavaria yacht moulding shop but the Westerly bigot wanted to seed the thought.
 
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Quite so but, may I respectfully point out that, Jaguars have always been built by Jaguar no matter who owned the name and, Ford sold Jaguar and Land Rover some time ago .
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I think you will find the X type is built on a ford mondeo base and ford owned both J and LR until they sold them both last year to Tata...
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Oh dear as I thought ! is this What Car or the YBW forum...........................

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grumpygit said:
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Quite so but, may I respectfully point out that, Jaguars have always been built by Jaguar no matter who owned the name and, Ford sold Jaguar and Land Rover some time ago .
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I think you will find the X type is built on a ford mondeo base and ford owned both J and LR until they sold them both last year to Tata...
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Oh dear as I thought ! is this What Car or the YBW forum...........................

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No, I wouldn't waste any more of my time with this lot!

But for the sake of accuracy, the X type shared a floor pan with the Mondeo, a common practice. The similarity ends there!
 
Can I just summarise the thread.

Some people wouldn't buy a Bavaria although have nothing against them.

Some people think Bavarias are badly made and their rudders and keels fall off and their masts fall down.

Bavaria owners think their boats are wonderful.

There is nothing more to say is there? It's all been said, many times as I recall.
 
Bat21 said:
No, I wouldn't waste any more of my time with this lot!

But for the sake of accuracy, the X type shared a floor pan with the Mondeo, a common practice. The similarity ends there!
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Last word.....and some switch gear
 
KellysEye said:
Can I just summarise the thread.

Some people wouldn't buy a Bavaria although have nothing against them.

Some people think Bavarias are badly made and their rudders and keels fall off and their masts fall down.

Bavaria owners think their boats are wonderful.

There is nothing more to say is there? It's all been said, many times as I recall.
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You missed one.

Some people don't own a Bavaria, although they have nothing against them - and they think that those who bash them either expressly or impliedly (see Batman) are insecure pretentious (fill in your own word here) who need to feel good about their own choices by being condescending or worse about someone else's choice.
 
KellysEye said:
Can I just summarise the thread.

Some people wouldn't buy a Bavaria although have nothing against them.

Some people think Bavarias are badly made and their rudders and keels fall off and their masts fall down.

Bavaria owners think their boats are wonderful.
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Also...

Bavaria owners are an affable peace loving group who just do lots of sailing but they feel compelled to react when their second largest financial asset is the subject of malicious attacks.
 
jonjo5 said:
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Bavaria owners are an affable peace loving group who just do lots of sailing but they feel compelled to react when their second largest financial asset is the subject of malicious attacks.
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"Bavaria owners are an affable peace loving group"

With a beard, socks and sandals and carrying the good book ?

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Good morning:

jonjo5 said:
Photodog you disappoint me, you should know better since you chase politicians in your profession.

Squeaky is using the oldest debating trick in the book, all well trained political rats know that when cornered with their sleazy pants around their ankles - turn the debate into a process story.

By complaining about the style of your posts Squeaky is hoping we will forget that his wicked post crashed and burned within hours together with his online reputation.
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I envy some people their ability to decide what I had in mind when I posted this thread. How in heck someone sitting thousands of miles away can decide that I was using a debating trick is beyond me. It also makes me rather angry that my intentions were questioned and then it was decided that I was up to no good.

I clearly and truthfully reported in an earlier post what my intentions were when I typed the post - I tried to include the images but could not so decided to go ahead while asking for advice. As soon as I got the advice I included the images so proving they existed and were in my possession.

I have not been cornered nor have I attempted to turn this thread into a discussion of process. I suggest you take your allegations concerning my intentions and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine.

Cheers
Squeaky
 
Squeeky.

Any post that highlights something to be wary of ( and chartering unknown dodgy abused/repaired boats is certainly one concern that has come to light within your thread), is imo a good and useful thing.

I couldn't care less what the badge on the front of the boat says, per se, it is all about the invisible or secondary build quality that concerns me-and quite a few other Bav owners have testified that they bought a good un, so no probs there.

I am sure that Bav as a company are big enough to get over it.

Tad surprised at how quickly the rude words bin gets opened on here though, after all we're not in that 'other' bar.

Ta for the post-and ultimatly the pics-anyway.

Btw If you really want to see inside build quality, have a look around a bad hurricane aftermath.The good , the reparable, the bad, and the very very flimsy all are revealed!
 
Personally I think the only thing that Squeaky did wrong was pluralise the title. I have found this thread really interesting and disappointing. I hope similar postings will continue and be extended to cover aspects of other boats as I have had some mis-conceptions corrected during the recent spate of this type of posting. Shame some of it got personal.
 
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