Bavaria lost keel again

Tradewinds said:
Where did that figure come from?

Steel definitely in the minority of Bluewater cruisers when I passed through there in the late 90s.

Can't believe there are more steel boats nowadays %-wise.
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Maybe has something to do with the poster having a steel boat.......

The %age of Bavarias on the ARC is easy to measure because the data is published. No data for even how many boats are "in the Pacific" - never mind how many are steel so you can just pluck a figure out of the air. Having said that there is probably much merit in having a steel boat if you often sail in shallow waters with coral bottoms! Not a big deal if you are floating around the (mainly) deep water Med though.
 
Although my boat was built a few years earlier, the principles were the same. I was given a build date 4 months after my order. The week before build I had an email comfirming dates. It was started on Monday, finished on Friday and next Tuesday on a truck to Slovenia. Everything worked when I took delivery and the only issue was leaking Rutgerson hatches which were replaced under warranty.

Still performing well 12 years later after 7 years of chartering and a trip back to UK.
 
>Maybe has something to do with the poster having a steel boat.......

No I don't have a problem with GRP or wooden boats, people choose what they want.

> Where did that figure come from?

From memory it was a New Zealand survey done about 6 years ago used in a magazine article, explaining why people have metal boats. I just tried to find it but can't. The point they were making was the 90% of metal boats that hit a reef in the Pacific get off but 90% of GRP boats don't.
 
KellysEye;3569522 From memory it was a New Zealand survey done about 6 years ago used in a magazine article said:
Does not surprise me that a NZ based survey would show a higher proportion of steel boats cruising the Pacific, for two reasons. Firstly as already indicated steel has distinct advantages in that environment. Secondly, there is a history of DIY boat building (in both NZ and Australia) and steel is a good material for this. If there had ben a survey in the same place 30 or so years ago, I expect it would have shown up a high proportion of Ferro boats - fashionable at the time.

It is, however unwise to extrapolate these trends to European (and probably N American) based boats where steel is much less popular for all sorts of reasons, not least the collapse of the DIY market - again for various reasons, not least the coming of the RCD. And, dare I say it the cheap and easy availability of perfectly adequate production GRP boats, particulaly dating from 70's and 80's.
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Nothing in this video shows how the keel is attached to the hull, penny washers or a rigid web bonded to the hull, so how can you say this gives you confidence. Show it as it is then you create confidence.
 
beserksail said:
Nothing in this video shows how the keel is attached to the hull, penny washers or a rigid web bonded to the hull, so how can you say this gives you confidence. Show it as it is then you create confidence.
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Do you seriously think they would not be "properly" attached? Just like most production builders they use a bonded in interior frame with large SS backing plates under the nuts. Suggest you have a look inside one if you are not convinced.
 
Annabell said:
My statement was, that Pantaenius would not insure any Bav to terms they grant HR´s or Bandholm´s.
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Pantaenius is an odd business they try to create an illusion they are the superior yacht insurer for special yacht owners. Their penalty insurance rate for Bavaria might well be a marketing trick to fool you into believing that you are special enough to give them your money.

After 10 years of frequenting the YBW forums I have never heard your theory about tiered insurance rates by yacht brand. Many here are motivated to throw ignorant mud balls at Bavaria, if this theory about insurance rates had substance it would have been raised before.
 
charles_reed said:
But treated carefully, they're perfectly reasonable boats for the majority, who just want a cottage in the marina and eschew sailing in more than an F3.
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If you want your opinion to be taken seriously best not make such daft comments.

Over a 5 year period I cruised my Bavaria Match 35 from the Solent to north and sw Brittany, West Country and to Ireland, much of it single handed because she does not like the long pre holiday trips. I got pasted in the middle of Lyme Bay by an active cold front ranging from 30 to 40 knots, the auto helm and Bavaria looked after me.

I have shot through the Alterney Race in a F7 with too much sail up giving a bucking bronko ride and green water coming back to the sprayhood. Nothing fell off.
 
jonjo5 said:
Pantaenius is an odd business they try to create an illusion they are the superior yacht insurer for special yacht owners. Their penalty insurance rate for Bavaria might well be a marketing trick to fool you into believing that you are special enough to give them your money.

After 10 years of frequenting the YBW forums I have never heard your theory about tiered insurance rates by yacht brand. Many here are motivated to throw ignorant mud balls at Bavaria, if this theory about insurance rates had substance it would have been raised before.
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Pantaenius insures at the moment ~ 65.000 boats. There are worldwide 8.000 HR´s and ~ 400 Bandholm´s in the market. If P. insures 2.000 of them there must be 63.ooo others. P. takes brands in groups, takes the costs he had for each group and that gives the basic premium per group. What is wrong with that ? What you call a marketing trick would not be possible to create in Germany, there is the "Bundesaufsichtsamt für das Versicherungswesen" it´s a goverment authority and they check the correctness of the premiums.

When I talked to Pantaenius during Hamburg Boat Show in 2010, I doubted that Bav´s are so much minor in quality, but they said it is the truth that Bav`s have so much more to repair as HR´s when they have been in the same kind of problems.

Love your Bav and enjoy it
 
I would be very suspicious of that "explanation" as there does not seem to be any evidence that insurers in the UK experience higher claim costs for Bavarias as a group. There is a remarkable degree of consistency that suggests the premium for hull and machinery insurance for comparable usage is mainly value related rather than related to boat make. There is no "regulator" in the UK that checks premiums - they are determined by the insurer and based on their assessment of risk.

Looking at it from a different perspective, if you ask charter operators why they use Bavarias, you will find that among other things they are easy to maintain and repair compared with some other mass produced boats.
 
Tranona said:
Do you seriously think they would not be "properly" attached? Just like most production builders they use a bonded in interior frame with large SS backing plates under the nuts. Suggest you have a look inside one if you are not convinced.
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All I am saying is show the attachment method and we do not need to look inside one to have an opinion. I can understand why you are so protective of the brand if you own one, try to be more realistic.
 
beserksail said:
All I am saying is show the attachment method and we do not need to look inside one to have an opinion. I can understand why you are so protective of the brand if you own one, try to be more realistic.
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So, what is your "opinion"? Nothing to do with the fact that I own one. I would say the same about any other boat that uses that method of attachment of the keel as it is well proven and widely used. If you are suggesting it is not satisfactory, then would be interested to hear why.
 
Tranona said:
So, what is your "opinion"? Nothing to do with the fact that I own one. I would say the same about any other boat that uses that method of attachment of the keel as it is well proven and widely used. If you are suggesting it is not satisfactory, then would be interested to hear why.
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Cool down boy, I am just stating that the video did not show the keel attachment, end of story , no axe to grind , have a good night.
 
beserksail said:
All I am saying is show the attachment method and we do not need to look inside one to have an opinion. I can understand why you are so protective of the brand if you own one, try to be more realistic.
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I love it when the nutters come out to play, it makes for such entertaining threads :rolleyes:
 
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