Twister_Ken
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Horrified to see this in PBO forum.
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/747885/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/747885/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
Bavaria keel problem?
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SilverBreeze
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doris
Well-known member
Hi Ken, I have just stumbled across the posting about Bavarias. How on earth has something as horrific as this remained so quiet. Had this happened in the automotive industry there would be the most almightly outcry with the company involved spending millions to rectify the faults and even more millions trying to recover it's reputation. Seems amazing that this has attracted so litle attention!
GazzaUK
New member
Scary, scary, scary.......
ShipsWoofy
New member
Actually it does happen in the motor industry, and the big names do cover up serious flaws in their vehicles.
The Ford Pinto was a case in question. If involved in a rear end shunt due to fuel tank location the Pinto would often explode killing the occupants. Ford worked out that it would cost less to pay compensation to the family of dead than to call back the fleet for modification.
Ford continued to pay out after accidents and saved a packet compared to the call back costs, hundreds died. This was a horrific example, but I have no doubt this in lesser ways is still going on every day!
The Ford Pinto was a case in question. If involved in a rear end shunt due to fuel tank location the Pinto would often explode killing the occupants. Ford worked out that it would cost less to pay compensation to the family of dead than to call back the fleet for modification.
Ford continued to pay out after accidents and saved a packet compared to the call back costs, hundreds died. This was a horrific example, but I have no doubt this in lesser ways is still going on every day!
AlexL
Member
except the pinto incident was in the US - some 40 years ago and as a result most laws and regulations were changed. Also the judge took a dim view of the caclulations that it was cheaper to not fix the problem and used 'punative' damages for their true purpose - one of the first instances of the use of such damages. After which the problem was addressed.
Issues in vehicles are not 'covered up' , most are addressed with 'recall' notices, which are not all at the discression of the manufacturer.
Nothing like using half a story to try and make a point!
Issues in vehicles are not 'covered up' , most are addressed with 'recall' notices, which are not all at the discression of the manufacturer.
Nothing like using half a story to try and make a point!
Metabarca
Well-known member
More recently, Ford and Firestone blamed each other for an issue concerning bursting tyres on SUVs. The recall only came about after the s... hit the fan in the media and what a merry session of knifing in the back ensued! Also in the US, however.
doris
Well-known member
So how many Bavaria Mastic, whoops Match, 42s are about to be recalled to the factory??
andy_wilson
New member
CE Marks and RCD
What do these mean then, and should they be withdrawn until the product(s) comply with a reasonable level of keel attachment?
What do these mean then, and should they be withdrawn until the product(s) comply with a reasonable level of keel attachment?
iangrant
New member
Re: CE Marks and RCD
Quote:
Designer specified lamination and GRP lay-up (amount and type of fibreglass) exceed the requirements of IMCI, Germanisher Lloyd (GL) and CE. All materials used in hull construction are IMCI, GL, and CE approved.
Must be OK then - not sure that Germanisher Lloyds is the same as everyone thnks of "the Lloyds" though?
Ian
Quote:
Designer specified lamination and GRP lay-up (amount and type of fibreglass) exceed the requirements of IMCI, Germanisher Lloyd (GL) and CE. All materials used in hull construction are IMCI, GL, and CE approved.
Must be OK then - not sure that Germanisher Lloyds is the same as everyone thnks of "the Lloyds" though?
Ian
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Re: CE Marks and RCD
A question to those that know about sailyboat construction: looking at the photos, it seems as if the (quite long) keel is simply bolted to the other side of the hull bottom skin using some (quite small) backing plates to spread the load a bit.
Is this standard practice ? My only observation from an engineering perspective, is that the attachment would be a lot stronger if it somehow involved those nearby wooden frames (apart from the hull skin to frame joint) or some other plate bonded in to the hull bottom.
dv.
A question to those that know about sailyboat construction: looking at the photos, it seems as if the (quite long) keel is simply bolted to the other side of the hull bottom skin using some (quite small) backing plates to spread the load a bit.
Is this standard practice ? My only observation from an engineering perspective, is that the attachment would be a lot stronger if it somehow involved those nearby wooden frames (apart from the hull skin to frame joint) or some other plate bonded in to the hull bottom.
dv.
G
Guest
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Another cover up ....
Ford Capri 2.8i ..... 1985 / 1986 models many suffered weak drive shafts and brake backplate fittings that resulted in wheels shearing off ... when same axle etc.was fitted to Scorpios - same happened .... did Ford do anything ... no.
How do I know - it happened to me near Shoreham airport - Ford refused to repair car - saying that I hit a kerb etc. Tried every thing to sort Ford out with it .... but they are too big to fight .... even Ester Rantzen wasn't interested .....
Ford Capri 2.8i ..... 1985 / 1986 models many suffered weak drive shafts and brake backplate fittings that resulted in wheels shearing off ... when same axle etc.was fitted to Scorpios - same happened .... did Ford do anything ... no.
How do I know - it happened to me near Shoreham airport - Ford refused to repair car - saying that I hit a kerb etc. Tried every thing to sort Ford out with it .... but they are too big to fight .... even Ester Rantzen wasn't interested .....
G
Guest
Guest
Keel bolts ....
You think Bav are only company to use small backing plates under keel nuts .... Westerly and penny washers ?? anyone remember ??
Old habits of transverse frames carrying keel stress and bolts are lacking in many boats nowadays as trust is put into Kevlar rovings and other developments etc.
Evolution ?
You think Bav are only company to use small backing plates under keel nuts .... Westerly and penny washers ?? anyone remember ??
Old habits of transverse frames carrying keel stress and bolts are lacking in many boats nowadays as trust is put into Kevlar rovings and other developments etc.
Evolution ?
Mike21
New member
Re problem with lack? of plates, are the boats shipped with keels on or are they assembled when they arrive?
Only reason for asking is I've seen a few yachts on the back of lowloaders with what appears to be their keels removed
Only reason for asking is I've seen a few yachts on the back of lowloaders with what appears to be their keels removed
30boat
N/A
Re: Keel bolts ....
My Fulmar has quite hefty ssteel plates under the nuts.It was the floors that where ridiculous.Now properly rebuilt as they broke right through when I first put the boat on the hard.
My Fulmar has quite hefty ssteel plates under the nuts.It was the floors that where ridiculous.Now properly rebuilt as they broke right through when I first put the boat on the hard.
