Phoenix of Hamble
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Simple.... we're not all rich rich rich..... 'nuff said....
Bavaria 42
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Koeketiene
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Fair point about Lada.
But it doesn't mean it's got to be expensive for the sake of it either.
Personally, I don't get this obsession with Swedish boats - expensive and supposed to be quality.
Had a Volvo engine on a previous boat and it was crap. Previous boat had a Selden Furlex and it was crap. Current one has a Furlex too, and it's crap too (to be replaced by a Harken as soon as I have some money.
Where does it say that expensive Swedish equals quality?
But it doesn't mean it's got to be expensive for the sake of it either.
Personally, I don't get this obsession with Swedish boats - expensive and supposed to be quality.
Had a Volvo engine on a previous boat and it was crap. Previous boat had a Selden Furlex and it was crap. Current one has a Furlex too, and it's crap too (to be replaced by a Harken as soon as I have some money.
Where does it say that expensive Swedish equals quality?
duncan
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so you always buy the Audi rather than the Skoda then?
possibly a poor example as they are marketed to a price point rather than built to one.......but the principle is there from the other perspective too - there is a fundamental diffence between 'cheap' and 'price concious' and as long as it stays in the domain of trim rather than fundamentals like hull layup etc there is nothing wrong with these craft per se
possibly a poor example as they are marketed to a price point rather than built to one.......but the principle is there from the other perspective too - there is a fundamental diffence between 'cheap' and 'price concious' and as long as it stays in the domain of trim rather than fundamentals like hull layup etc there is nothing wrong with these craft per se
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as long as it stays in the domain of trim rather than fundamentals like hull layup etc there is nothing wrong with these craft per se
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... and there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that they may be skimping on the number of keel bolts or whatever!
as long as it stays in the domain of trim rather than fundamentals like hull layup etc there is nothing wrong with these craft per se
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... and there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that they may be skimping on the number of keel bolts or whatever!
WayneS
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You appear to be new to these Forums and so I guess you must be somewhat bemused by the rather negative comments that come from some corners. There is a lot of bad mouthing that goes on whenever the name "Bavaria" is mentioned. Make you own mind up about why this happens, I have and most of the time now I do not bother to respond to it cos it is not worth my time.
What I do recommend is that you speak to current/past Bavaria owners and those that have chartered them. They are the ones who have first hand experience of what they have bought/used and can give you facts.
It is true that there have been a few instances of failures, some catastrophic, but this could be said of most manufacturers.
We took delivery of a new Bavaria 33 at the beginning of this year. We have done around 1400nm which include 2 channel crossings (One in a very lively sea), a close hauled trip across Lyme Bay in a F7 and big sea, lots of varied sailing around the Solent in conditions from F0 to F8 and a drift back and forth around Yarmouth during this year’s RTI race.
Nothing has broken. No fittings have failed. Our keel is still attached. All our doors open and close fine. No woodwork has fallen to bits. All instruments continue to work. The boat is dry. It is not held together with Silicone......
The only issues we have had to date are a slight misalignment of the streaming light, a fire extinguisher that is losing pressure, a curtain popper that has failed and a lazy jack system that could do with improvement.
Now, if you want to sail around the world in the high latitudes then I would suggest that you may want to consider another type of boat. If not and you do not want to pay an inflated premium for a boat that is perceived to be better, then you will not go wrong with a Bavaria. What you can be assure of if you buy one in the UK is some very good presale and aftersale service from the distributor.
At least if you buy a new Bavaria you can go sailing when a lot of other people are spending their time on maintenance.
Whatever decision you make I hope it works out for you.
Cheers
Wayne
What I do recommend is that you speak to current/past Bavaria owners and those that have chartered them. They are the ones who have first hand experience of what they have bought/used and can give you facts.
It is true that there have been a few instances of failures, some catastrophic, but this could be said of most manufacturers.
We took delivery of a new Bavaria 33 at the beginning of this year. We have done around 1400nm which include 2 channel crossings (One in a very lively sea), a close hauled trip across Lyme Bay in a F7 and big sea, lots of varied sailing around the Solent in conditions from F0 to F8 and a drift back and forth around Yarmouth during this year’s RTI race.
Nothing has broken. No fittings have failed. Our keel is still attached. All our doors open and close fine. No woodwork has fallen to bits. All instruments continue to work. The boat is dry. It is not held together with Silicone......
The only issues we have had to date are a slight misalignment of the streaming light, a fire extinguisher that is losing pressure, a curtain popper that has failed and a lazy jack system that could do with improvement.
Now, if you want to sail around the world in the high latitudes then I would suggest that you may want to consider another type of boat. If not and you do not want to pay an inflated premium for a boat that is perceived to be better, then you will not go wrong with a Bavaria. What you can be assure of if you buy one in the UK is some very good presale and aftersale service from the distributor.
At least if you buy a new Bavaria you can go sailing when a lot of other people are spending their time on maintenance.
Whatever decision you make I hope it works out for you.
Cheers
Wayne
Lee_Shaw
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At least if you buy a new Bavaria you can go sailing when a lot of other people are spending their time on maintenance.
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I've never got this arguement, maybe it's just local to me, but the majority of boats that I notice in regular use are comparatively small older sailing boats and modestly sized/engined mobos. The larger sailing boats of all ages, large motorboats and the shiny new "entry level" (circa 36ft) Bavs and such never seem to go anywhere. I couldn't comment on the build quality but as for useage nowhere near as much as smallish older boats.
At least if you buy a new Bavaria you can go sailing when a lot of other people are spending their time on maintenance.
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I've never got this arguement, maybe it's just local to me, but the majority of boats that I notice in regular use are comparatively small older sailing boats and modestly sized/engined mobos. The larger sailing boats of all ages, large motorboats and the shiny new "entry level" (circa 36ft) Bavs and such never seem to go anywhere. I couldn't comment on the build quality but as for useage nowhere near as much as smallish older boats.
Sailfree
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But even with the budget sails AWB's and Bav fit on a new boat they should last 3 years upwards so once again the AWB strikes one "value for money" - buy one and you don't need to invest in new sails for quite a while!!
I do think its time we had a standard list of replies to match each individuals prejudice in the AWB v 2nd hand v light displacement v long keel heavy displacement.
A bav is a cheap boat that probably does satisfactory for what 99% of the sailors on here do each year.
A cheap AWB is light and airy and persuades many SWMBO to try sailing that an older boat may fail at.
Its about being able to go sailing thats most important. I once notice that an old beaten up rusty Ford Cortina was better than my new car - Why? Because it was in the lane of the motorway that was moving while mine was boxed in and stuck.
Get sailing anyway you can afford it - enjoy - and where you can share you pleasure and enthusiasm with others.
A Bav is great value for money but 2nd hand many boats are slow sellers. If its your 1st boat it may be worth investigating what many on here insist that they don't hold their value. If you buy any boat at a price you can quickly sell it at there is no real pronblem is there!
I do think its time we had a standard list of replies to match each individuals prejudice in the AWB v 2nd hand v light displacement v long keel heavy displacement.
A bav is a cheap boat that probably does satisfactory for what 99% of the sailors on here do each year.
A cheap AWB is light and airy and persuades many SWMBO to try sailing that an older boat may fail at.
Its about being able to go sailing thats most important. I once notice that an old beaten up rusty Ford Cortina was better than my new car - Why? Because it was in the lane of the motorway that was moving while mine was boxed in and stuck.
Get sailing anyway you can afford it - enjoy - and where you can share you pleasure and enthusiasm with others.
A Bav is great value for money but 2nd hand many boats are slow sellers. If its your 1st boat it may be worth investigating what many on here insist that they don't hold their value. If you buy any boat at a price you can quickly sell it at there is no real pronblem is there!
iangrant
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Quick thing to help you make up your mind.
Stand at the back bit and hold the backstay on
1: Oyster, Hallberg, Swan
2: Bavaria
Then decide how much heavy weather you'll be going out in, then decide on which boat.
cheers
Ian
Stand at the back bit and hold the backstay on
1: Oyster, Hallberg, Swan
2: Bavaria
Then decide how much heavy weather you'll be going out in, then decide on which boat.
cheers
Ian
bedouin
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Then decide how much heavy weather you'll be going out in, then decide on which boat.
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Then look at the prices and change your mind /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Surely you would be struggling to get a 15-20yr old Oyster for the price of a new Bav
Then decide how much heavy weather you'll be going out in, then decide on which boat.
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Then look at the prices and change your mind /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Surely you would be struggling to get a 15-20yr old Oyster for the price of a new Bav
iangrant
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depends on the size - I know of a vry nice 37 that would work out about the same - but he won't sell it!
zefender
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And how does it look from the back of a Jeanneau S.O. ?
Phoenix of Hamble
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White?
iangrant
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about in the middle I guess - half way between the two in wire size -
cheers
ian
cheers
ian
jhr
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Re: Selective memory problem?
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pretty sure Nicho was reporting a trip on a nearly new French AWB,
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Eek! I think you're right. I had obviously associated the word "Nicho" with the word "Bavaria" in my mind, with inevitable consequences. Apologies to him and to Bavaria.
Of course, he's seen the light now, and gone back to moboing. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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pretty sure Nicho was reporting a trip on a nearly new French AWB,
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Eek! I think you're right. I had obviously associated the word "Nicho" with the word "Bavaria" in my mind, with inevitable consequences. Apologies to him and to Bavaria.
Of course, he's seen the light now, and gone back to moboing. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Phoenix of Hamble
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Re: Selective memory problem?
I thought it was a Bavaria as well.....
I thought it was a Bavaria as well.....
Phoenix of Hamble
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jhr
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Re: Selective memory problem?
Thanks for finding that again, Neil.
Epic story, well worth re-reading!
Thanks for finding that again, Neil.
Epic story, well worth re-reading!
zefender
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Slightly relevant quote from Nicho\'s article ...
"The skipper, a veteran of 9 Atlantic crossings announced that he'd only ever witnessed waves that high once before, also in the atlantic in 68 knots of wind (on a Bavaria 44)."
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"The skipper, a veteran of 9 Atlantic crossings announced that he'd only ever witnessed waves that high once before, also in the atlantic in 68 knots of wind (on a Bavaria 44)."
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steve_cronin
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If anyone\'s lost a sale of a Bavaria.....
...because of reading your carelessly negligent posting, you should be sued out of existance.
Steve Cronin
...because of reading your carelessly negligent posting, you should be sued out of existance.
Steve Cronin
nicho
RIP
That was a Jeanneau 452 - sorry to disappoint you!! We sold our Bav 36 last year, having had NOT ONE problem over three years of ownership, albeit she was only lightly sailed. However it's new owner sailed it to Greece this year with absolutely no probems, including crossing Biscay in a F7 over some 40 hours.
Bavaria are hugely successful, and thousands of owners cannot all be wrong! Personally though, I wouldn't like to cross Oceans in one, though Zefender did exactly that on the ARC in his Bav 40.
Bavaria are hugely successful, and thousands of owners cannot all be wrong! Personally though, I wouldn't like to cross Oceans in one, though Zefender did exactly that on the ARC in his Bav 40.
