Bavaria 34, The ideal starter yacht according to YM

[pvb]

pvb is misleading you.

The boat tested was: Disp: 9900lbs Ballast: 3080ibs

No, my figures are accurate. The post I replied to was mentioning the new Bavaria 34, which has the same displacement as a new HR342.

If you doubt me, read where the post says "Whether twin wheels adds to a 34 might be debatable but if in the market for a new boat in this size I would certainly have a look. You might gain more weight in a HR of the same size but at what price? The other one which looks attractive is a Hanse maybe ? I am sure many new owners will gain a lot of pleasure though from the new 34 and wish them all well."

 

[dom]

One cannot simplistically compare a HR's displacement to a Bavaria's:

HRs are constructed out of top quality isophthalic resin, Bavarias use cheap pine-tree ooze​

Bavaria's lay-up comprises old prison sacks, HR's matting is made by Prada
HR keels are made of luxury lead, Bavaria's out of Arthur Daly scrap
HRs are fitted out by Swedish virgins, Bavarias by Hamurg whores.
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Have I missed anything?

 

[Bobc]

Yawn...

 

[Tranona]

One cannot simplistically compare a HR's displacement to a Bavaria's:

HRs are constructed out of top quality isophthalic resin, Bavarias use cheap pine-tree ooze​

Bavaria's lay-up comprises old prison sacks, HR's matting is made by Prada
HR keels are made of luxury lead, Bavaria's out of Arthur Daly scrap
HRs are fitted out by Swedish virgins, Bavarias by Hamurg whores.
​

Have I missed anything?

Only the last line needs updating - both now mostly made by CNC machines, probably Chinese!

 

[Just_sayin']

Poor old Bavaria cannot win the online rumour game.

But they do seem to win the "we don't give a toss what a few old fogies on an internet forum think" game by continuing to sell a very expensive product in harsh market conditions. Other brands are available :encouragement:

 

[pvb]

But they do seem to win the "we don't give a toss what a few old fogies on an internet forum think" game by continuing to sell a very expensive product in harsh market conditions. Other brands are available :encouragement:

Why do you think Bavarias are "very expensive"? I bought a new 37 in 2014 and it cost significantly less than similar-spec Jeanneau and Beneteau models.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Why do you think Bavarias are "very expensive"? I bought a new 37 in 2014 and it cost significantly less than similar-spec Jeanneau and Beneteau models.

I think what is meant, that in general terms, a yacht is an expensive thing and sales are holding up well in the current economic climate. That's how I understood the post, not that Bavarias are expensive compared to other makes.

 

[Just_sayin']

I think what is meant, that in general terms, a yacht is an expensive thing and sales are holding up well in the current economic climate. That's how I understood the post, not that Bavarias are expensive compared to other makes.

Exactly what I meant. New boats are a luxury few can afford or justify.

I come from a sailing background but have now converted to the dark side, not for good.

The only people that I know who are actively looking into the new boat market are well-off, 50+ and considering £500k+ mobos.

 

[Tranona]

Exactly what I meant. New boats are a luxury few can afford or justify.

I come from a sailing background but have now converted to the dark side, not for good.

The only people that I know who are actively looking into the new boat market are well-off, 50+ and considering £500k+ mobos.

As you may have noticed from my earlier posts a significant number, probably a majority of new boat buyers in this sector of the market are "mature" and probably retired.

Just how life goes - like me retired, comfortable pension, no mortgage, children never with hands in pocket since university and then spending £100k+ on a boat no longer seems a lot of money.

Very different if you are trying to do it out of income while leading a busy working and social life, particularly if you have children. That is why i think the idea of "starter" boat for mum and dad plus 2.4 families is misleading. They are much more likely to spend their limited discretionary income on holidays such as chartering. 2 weeks fun for less than the annual berth cost in a south coast marina.

 

[wizard]

One cannot simplistically compare a HR's displacement to a Bavaria's:

HRs are constructed out of top quality isophthalic resin, Bavarias use cheap pine-tree ooze​

Bavaria's lay-up comprises old prison sacks, HR's matting is made by Prada
HR keels are made of luxury lead, Bavaria's out of Arthur Daly scrap
HRs are fitted out by Swedish virgins, Bavarias by Hamurg whores.
​

Have I missed anything?

Careful now, I have just gone over to them now.

 

[duncan99210]

One cannot simplistically compare a HR's displacement to a Bavaria's:

HRs are constructed out of top quality isophthalic resin, Bavarias use cheap pine-tree ooze​

Bavaria's lay-up comprises old prison sacks, HR's matting is made by Prada
HR keels are made of luxury lead, Bavaria's out of Arthur Daly scrap
HRs are fitted out by Swedish virgins, Bavarias by Hamurg whores.
​

Have I missed anything?

Bavarias are fitted out by Munich whores, otherwise spot on!

 

[dom]

Careful now, I have just gone over to them now.

The thing with brands is that it's all about perceptions and perceptions change. A car ran into the back of me a few years back and I went out and bought a new E Series with all the gizmos -- room for the w/e sailing junk, comfortable and really nice to drive ..."dad, you do know you have just bought the uncoolest car on the planet", came the nippers response!

Seriously though, I happened to speak with a chap at Farr Design the other week and passingly asked him about the new Bavarias; "try one and let me know!" came the reply. These guys tend to get it right and I sense the increase in displacement was Farr led. In fact I'll bet your new boat will be just stunning and I'm so looking forward to seeing her.

 

[dom]

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[Tranona]

Seriously though, I happened to speak with a chap at Farr Design the other week and passingly asked him about the new Bavarias; "try one and let me know!" came the reply. These guys tend to get it right and I sense the increase in displacement was Farr led. In fact I'll bet your new boat will be just stunning and I'm so looking forward to seeing her.

He is right. One of the main reasons for buying my new 33 was the promise of better sailing performance. So far has proved to be the case. Much better than my old 37 - stiffer, closer winded, tracks well and much easier to handle even though the same sail area. And I have in mast plus the shallower keel - although still 5' draft.

The Naysayers should really try one.

I was really happy with my old 37 as it did the job I bought it for, and was the best value boat at the time I bought it (2001), but the Farr designed boats are better in every way, both performance and construction.

 

[Otter]

Is that the Bavaria that came a poor second to a Contessa 32 in a YM comparison test a couple of years ago?

Was that in the same magazine where a senior member of the editorial staff owns a Contessa 32?

Strange coincidence isn't it :sleeping:

Surely nothing can beat the fast sailing, dry cockpit, bright airy cabin, private toilet and comfortable cabin seating to be found in a deep coal mine err sorry Co32

 

[Koeketiene]

Yes that is because they waste 400kgs overbuilding the hull.

There is no such thing as an overbuilt hull.

 

[Otter]

There is no such thing as an overbuilt hull.

That's what I told my GP when he started talking about my BMI

 

[Kelpie]

Who actually chooses betweem a MAB and AWB?
In our case, we would have had to double our budget to get a late 80s AWB in need of a new engine, sails etc. Instead we got a much older MAB with lots of new gear.
If we had actually had the money for any flavour of AWB, we might have looked at a few, I suppose. But we would also have looked at seriusly well kitted out and refitted older boats.

 

[Tranona]

Who actually chooses betweem a MAB and AWB?
In our case, we would have had to double our budget to get a late 80s AWB in need of a new engine, sails etc. Instead we got a much older MAB with lots of new gear.
If we had actually had the money for any flavour of AWB, we might have looked at a few, I suppose. But we would also have looked at seriusly well kitted out and refitted older boats.

The choice is less stark now that MABs have fallen in price - although for example the person who just bought my 2001 Bavaria 37 would have had a choice at the same price bracket as a 1980s Moody or Westerly of similar size. It was much the same when I bought the 37 new. The alternative was a Moody 376 or bit newer 36 or Westerly Corsair/ Oceanranger at much the same price but up to 10 years old. Of course they were not "manky" in the way that we imagine MABs now, but what led me to a new boat at much the same price was the amount of work and expense to bring a 10 year+ boat up to new standard.

The gap now I would suggest is even wider, when boats like the Sadler 34 or Westerly Fulmar are very little cheaper than the early 2000s Bavaria 34 that started this. Basic purchase price differences can be very misleading. The figure that is important is what it costs to get the boat in the condition you want, where you want it. The cost of even basic things like new engines, sails, upholstery and electronics can easily eat any purchase price difference. Of course some people are happy to carry on with serviceable but well worn gear and gradually replace over time or as funds permit, which I guess is why well worn boats still find buyers.

 

[Otter]

Who actually chooses betweem a MAB and AWB?

Very wise words - they sell to two distinct markets