yotanorak
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I am aware the Barbican 33 can be found with bilge plates.
Was the Barbican 30 ever built with these?
Thanks
Was the Barbican 30 ever built with these?
Thanks
Barbican query
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pampas
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Had the first one that was modified. Shown on their advertiseing bumf the keels painted white. Vessel called Kate Too now resides Falmouth with the keels removed. (I was 1/2 owner and she was second hand)
yotanorak
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Easy to install/remove/re-install?
Have a warm, fuzzy feeling about the boat but would like the protection of side plates for my own ineptitude!
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Have a warm, fuzzy feeling about the boat but would like the protection of side plates for my own ineptitude!
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Tranona
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These two boats are completely different designs. The 33 is a Maurice Griffiths with a centreplate, but could be fitted with bilge keels. The 30 was (I think) originally a Camper and Nicholson / Halmatic design with a long keel. Dont recall a bilge keel version, but i stand to be corrected.
billcowan
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There were a few of the 35 that definitely was a Camper & Nicolson
But I think the 30 was very much the same as the 33 but less popular as it probably cost about as much.
Mine had bilge plates when built. The bolt holes have been filled from the outside, but the big brackets with welded on nuts are easily accessible on the inside, so fitting new bilge plates should be quite easy.
The reviewers of the boat back in the 80s generally agreed that the plates didn't cost much in sailing ability, but that said and done, this is an ideal boat to fit legs to.
They wouldn't have to be long, and she will practically stand without legs on that foot wide keel.
I dont need either in the Med, but am considering legs for when & if I return to Scotland.
But I think the 30 was very much the same as the 33 but less popular as it probably cost about as much.
Mine had bilge plates when built. The bolt holes have been filled from the outside, but the big brackets with welded on nuts are easily accessible on the inside, so fitting new bilge plates should be quite easy.
The reviewers of the boat back in the 80s generally agreed that the plates didn't cost much in sailing ability, but that said and done, this is an ideal boat to fit legs to.
They wouldn't have to be long, and she will practically stand without legs on that foot wide keel.
I dont need either in the Med, but am considering legs for when & if I return to Scotland.
Tranona
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I am not sure what boat you have, but the three designs you mention are all quite different. The 30 was designed by John Sharp (C&N in house designer) and originally built by Halmatic as were most of the production C&N yachts, 32, 31, 35 etc. It has a long deep keel. Barbican took it over I guess around 1980. The moulds and a complete hull are currently for sale.
The 33 was originally the "Atlantic Clipper" designed by Maurice Griffiths for Phillips in Dartmouth. It had a huge raised aft cabin and a centre cockpit. Not a success, but the hull was recycled with a new lid (which included part of the topsides to compensate for the original low freeboard) and was much more successful. It sounds like this is what you have, as the bilge plates were optional.
The 35 is completely different, being a Holman and Pye design, like a big Twister and similar to what is now the Rustler 36.
The 33 was originally the "Atlantic Clipper" designed by Maurice Griffiths for Phillips in Dartmouth. It had a huge raised aft cabin and a centre cockpit. Not a success, but the hull was recycled with a new lid (which included part of the topsides to compensate for the original low freeboard) and was much more successful. It sounds like this is what you have, as the bilge plates were optional.
The 35 is completely different, being a Holman and Pye design, like a big Twister and similar to what is now the Rustler 36.
davies
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Yes, the Barbican 30 is the Halmatic 30 with a different lid. As the Halmatic is a thorough-going long keeler with hull shape to match, I can't imagine a bilge-plate version.
The precursor of the Barbican 35 is the Super Sovereign 35. Certainly this was a Holman & Pye design, but in my view a less happy result than Holman's Rustler 36. I've sailed both and found the Barbican 35 rather slow and lifeless compared with the Rustler
The precursor of the Barbican 35 is the Super Sovereign 35. Certainly this was a Holman & Pye design, but in my view a less happy result than Holman's Rustler 36. I've sailed both and found the Barbican 35 rather slow and lifeless compared with the Rustler
Tranona
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Yes, forgot the Super Sovreign bit. These were built by Uphams which was owned (I think) by Kim Holman's brother.
