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Azimut Magellan 43
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stillwaters
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I wonder what kind of boat that is, Erik
Ok i'm not Erik but,it's a Kadey-Krogen 44,a typical american market/made in Taiwan trawler and one of a fairly large range of sizes available.
Interesting that at least one person has mentioned form & function about the Magellano.We've been looking at 50 footers as a replacement for our current SD of similar size to the 43' version so have,amongst a few others,given a bit of attention to the Magellano 50,mainly because of its terrific exterior styling. However,it does have at least one or two serious drawbacks where form appears to have taken precedence over function.Firstly,not so serious but still rather unfathomable is the once-again totally impractical lower helm (described by Dave Marsh as 'beautiful') - it would take too long to detail what's not right about it however,strangely,the flybridge helm is much better (even the throttles are more or less in the right place).And,as with the 50,so too is the 43s helm pretty much worse than useless. With all that space alongside the seat would it not have been possible to locate at least both the throttles and the trim tab controls there?
Possibly even worse on the 50,though,are the low side rails.These are even highlighted on a promotional video which shows a woman walking along the side deck with the rail not far above her knee and her hand unable to reach it without bending down - one sudden roll and she's gone.Strangely,the rails are for some unaccountable reason at a far better height on the 43. Admittedly,AZ aren't the only culprits here,we also looked at the Swift 50 where its too-low port side rail is only surpassed by the unbelievable absence of rail at all along most of the starboard side - that's the side where the pilothouse door is,the one where you might happen to wander out just as the boat lurches and all you have to grab hold of is a knee-high bulwark. So,do these designers ever actually go out on boats ,especially 'trawlers' I wonder?
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I know Erik is a particular fan of the Kadey-Krogen and they are very well constructed boats but in a different area of the market. If you were choosing a boat to do a circumnavigation, a K-K would be on your list but the Magellano definitely wouldn't. I see what you mean about Magellano 50 lower helm. It's atrocious and just another example of appalling Italian helm design. They seem to have a complete blind spot about helm design and ergonomics. Typical Italian product in that sense. Creative, innovative, stylish but let down by a lack of attention to detail in one or more important areas. Having said that, I've just checked out the video on the AZ website http://www.azimutyachts.com/azimutmagellano50-video.html and I have to say that the seakeeping looks very impressive. Maybe the time to buy one of these is when they introduce the Mk2 version?
MapisM
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LOL, I'd love to have ever had (or seen, for that matter!) a perfect boat just from a functionality standpoint, to start with.
Trouble is, with pleasure boats the designers attention goes first and foremost to form - obviously because that's what actually sells the product, at least with the large majority of buyers.
And no, it isn't just a matter of being impossible to build a (close to) perfect product.
The distance from perfection of the worst car is probably lower than the distance of the best pleasure boat...
MapisM
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Ermm... Actually the Magellano, Swift etc. are NOT trawlers at all.
Arguably, there's no such thing as a builder 100% dedicated to the pleasure boat market who builds a kosher trawler.
For the true stuff, you should look at yards with commercial heritage.
And with them, rest assured that you won't find any of the nonsense you mentioned.
stillwaters
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I totally agree with you,I was trying to be ironic. I doubt if there are many pleasure boaters who would really want a trawler anyway,too much like hard work .....and as for those bl**dy great nets and never-ending diet of fish???
I must learn to do this multi-quote thing I've just noticed,it would have saved me doing the next post!
stillwaters
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Surely though,why is it not possible to build a good looking boat around a few simple cast-in-stone requirements? Is it really that difficult to put a length of stainless rail at a common-sense height or to fit a user-friendly helm without being able to still end up with a great looking design? Go back to the earlier car analogy,would anyone buy a car where you were unable to reach the controls unless you either stood up or your arms were 5 feet long and,even worse,there was nothing to stop you falling out when going round corners? Now don't start me on engine room access or lack of storage space in cabins etc.etc.
MapisM
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LOL, yeah, having been on a few true working machines (and spoken with their crew), I'm sure that neither the hard work, nor the smell, the joinery finishing, the stabilizers (absence of!), the average sea conditions, etc. could appeal any pleasure boater.
Myself included, TBH - though I wouldn't mind the fresh fish diet...
Otoh, the restructuring as pleasure boats of former commercial vessels (tugs, icebreakers, fishing boats, patrol boats... you name it) has become fashionable in the last decade.
So, at least the basic structure of these machines does interest a few connoisseurs, after all...
stillwaters
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MapisM
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Yep, I know it sounds weird, but for instance last year I've seen this one in flesh, and "stunning" doesn't make her justice at all...
http://www.charterworld.com/index.html?sub=yacht-charter&charter=motor-yacht-prometej-1084
stillwaters
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And,of course,it's sure to have a convivial atmosphere........yes,it's a real icebreaker! Doh!!!
Mike1968
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Hello all intresting reading here seems people love or hate AZ magellano I am looking at a new 43 at present and need to decide asap AZ are giving us a pretty good discount on this as it would be the first one in New Zealand I must admit we are pretty intrested however i cant seem to find any body out there who actualy owns one of these does anybody know of someone who owns or has been on this vessel it is for 2 adults and a child to mostly cruise calm waters....we hope
Cheers Mike
Cheers Mike
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Deleted User YDKXO
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I have no personal experience of cruising a Magellano 43 but I did look over one at a recent boat show and I have to say that I was very impressed by the solidity of the boat and the quality of the fit and finish. Azimut seem to be making an extra effort with the Magellano series because it is aimed at a slightly different market ie boaters who actually want to use the boat for cruising rather than posing. MBY did a test on the M43 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mnEcphnP9Q
PowerYachtBlog
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It is actually designed that way so that it does not scratch the hull, and it works as we had a 43 Mag here for a couple of seasons.
In reality does not look so bad as on photos IMO.
MapisM
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LOL, I guess you didn't notice W, but you are a bit late with your answer to bjb question.
3+ years, in fact...
Though it might be still of interest, of course.Among others, probably also to our new Kiwi member. Apropos Mike, welcome to the madhouse!
In which part of your beautiful land of the long white cloud are you based, if you don't mind me asking?
Btw, I wouldn't call the Magellano line a "love or hate" type of boat.
At least, I've yet to come across any real haters. And (imho, of course) she's not such a love inspiring boat, either.
Extreme boats are more akin to mad love, like Nordhavns and MTI turbine catamarans, just to make two opposite examples.
The Magellano is aimed at matching practicality with style, and in this sense she's a compromise boat.
But if she suits your needs, great! After all, any boat is a compromise anyway...
No first hand experience though, sorry.
Oh, and I'm sure most folks agree that if you will keep us posted, possibly with pics, we would appreciate.
I for one would, anyway! :encouragement:
Mike1968
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Thanks for the reply I live in a town called Taupo check it out we have a very big lake very good boating here and some nice trout most of the time..The magellano will however be in Auckland we have some stunning waters up there she will be based in bayswater marina which will serve as accomadation for my staff who need to go up there at least 3 nights per week and of course for my family and myself who end up being in Auckland most weekends we have just opened up a restaurant there and of course does take up lots of time.There will of course be some boating involved....Property and rentals are sky high in Auck so this arrangement works out very well for all concerned.I will keep you updated with the process as I go along
Cheers
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Mike1968
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How did the internal size seem to you space is important to me and we havent been able to see one in the flesh
Mike
Mike
MapisM
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No need to check out Taupo, I've actually been there a couple of years ago!
We drove along the lake while on our way to Auckland from Wellington, but we had just a glimpse of the town, because we went further north for overnighting, in Rotorua.
A Magellano in Auckland sounds like a great plan indeed, go for it!
We had the privilege of circumnavigating Waiheke Island onboard a beautiful wooden launch owned by another New Zealander forumite, Summer Wine.
You guys have some fabulous cruising grounds for sure!
Looking forward to trying your restaurant the next time we'll come to NZ, hopefully sooner rather than later... :encouragement:
We drove along the lake while on our way to Auckland from Wellington, but we had just a glimpse of the town, because we went further north for overnighting, in Rotorua.
A Magellano in Auckland sounds like a great plan indeed, go for it!
We had the privilege of circumnavigating Waiheke Island onboard a beautiful wooden launch owned by another New Zealander forumite, Summer Wine.
You guys have some fabulous cruising grounds for sure!
Looking forward to trying your restaurant the next time we'll come to NZ, hopefully sooner rather than later... :encouragement:
Latestarter1
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I worked by on MV Taupo https://www.flickr.com/photos/59985648@N07/5574722728
10,500 hp RND Sulzer built by George Clarke & NEM for Bartrams Sunderland, contract speed was 20knots, we did trials and topped 21knots beautiful ship and absolute flyer!
Often saw Taupo on New Zealand coast generally in Wellington, ho hum my old tub was always broken down so more time ashore in the best place on earth, not so bad really.....................
MapisM
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Wow P, I didn't know that you had a boat in NZ!
Definitely one of the top places on this planet, for anyone who likes cruising.
Being based in Wellington, I suppose you were familiar with the beautiful sounds along the NE tip of the S Island?
I only cruised them by ferry from Picton to Wellington, but that was quite an experience anyway, considering how narrow the passage often is, for modern big ferries - almost scary!
