Attempt by our Committee to change the Club rules without notifying the members

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Concerto said:
Floyd Raser, thank you for explaining your background as to why you have taken such an interest in this thread. I understand your position about two sides to every story. It is really strange that the club "officials" have not openly taken action to defend their actions to balance the discussion or have this thread stopped, they certainly know of its existance. It must be a massive problem that is beyond their will to sort out, so they are just sitting tight and hoping it all goes away.

I can also understand where NickC came from when adverse comments started. With most people on the forum using a tag rather than their own name, it is imposible to know who is who and what connections they have. He was right to think possibly some of the club "officials" were contributing to the thread. Over time most have been cleared of that accusation - including yourself.

With only the basis of what NickC has contributed about the problems he has had at the club - the mooring issue, the outboard debacle and his expulsion - all make the situation more likely that he has been telling the truth. That oversize outboard is really the deal clincher for me, especially as other parties to the shared ownership explicitly denied its use to NickC.

You may continue to think it is six of one and half a dozen of the other, but unfortunately I do not and feel the vast majority of the forum think in a similar way. It seems NickC is getting on with his life as he is spending a lot less time on this thread than you. Your contribtions are certainly aiding him by keeping this thread in the active list on the forum, and that can only cause even more problems for the club "officials" over time. So I congratulate you on doing a lot of NickC's work for him. Eventually this thread may go global, as is the way of the internet, so keep on contributing to help NickC get the accusations that caused his expulsion be put to a full meeting of all club members. Then they can decide if he was expelled according to the club rules. That is the only real solution to this problem.
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Up to the last paragraph you were doing well but then you let yourself go a bit, but hey ho.
OK let's disagree. I base my findings on the evidence which Nick has provided himself, all of which is still there and open to interpretation. Nick offers no explaination of the motivation for the big outboard so what do you conclude? It's a bit of a nasty thing to just dream up out of the blue isn't it? From the start of my interest I have offered the opinion that there must have been some provocation for such an act. Some of you seem to not want to accept that as a possibility. Nick himself explained that before the big motor issue, there was a small motor issue with no photos, just Nick getting the mardies. He stopped the others using his outboard. That is what he wrote.
With my experience I concluded that it was a minor argument which should have been nipped in the bud within the club or better still, between the co-owners of the boat. Nick chose to bring it to everyone's attention and whenever anyone (not just me) suggests he should walk away or he is going about it the wrong way, he is less than a Gentleman.
Strange that you are another who suggests that the club should come along here and represent themselves, like this forum and this thread are somehow important? They could be a bunch of bums or they could be Gentlemen, renewal time for members should be a good indicator. I'll stand by whatever they decide.
 
Leaving aside all the other in and out of who said what and why. I having read most of this do not know what Nick wants to achieve?
Is it just to prove something against the committee?
Is it to be reinstated in the club?

As I am in Wales I do not know the club in question and do not want too.
 
l'escargot said:
Floyd joined in March - it's in his profile and in the top bar of every post he makes if you bother to look - and has probably contributed more sense in that time than you have in all the years you've been here....
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Escargrot,

don't worry I haven't forgotten how insulting you are; if I found myself agreeing with your view of the world I'd check myself into a funny farm...
 
l'escargot said:
What do you think then? Do you think there is some merit in Seajet suggesting he books himself into the "funny farm"?
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It won't be required as I will never agree with your miserable way of seeing things.

I've been commenting constructively on the thread all along, it's just I support Nick's case; it's entirely predictable you would favour someone like Floyd.
 
Floyd Raser said:
Nick himself explained that before the big motor issue, there was a small motor issue with no photos, just Nick getting the mardies. He stopped the others using his outboard. That is what he wrote.
With my experience I concluded that it was a minor argument which should have been nipped in the bud within the club or better still, between the co-owners of the boat. Nick chose to bring it to everyone's attention and whenever anyone (not just me) suggests he should walk away or he is going about it the wrong way, he is less than a Gentleman.
Strange that you are another who suggests that the club should come along here and represent themselves, like this forum and this thread are somehow important? They could be a bunch of bums or they could be Gentlemen, renewal time for members should be a good indicator. I'll stand by whatever they decide.
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IIRC NickC said there was a problem with the original outboard in its cooling system, which he fixed, but it still required careful use to keep it working. This outboard was on the back of the shared ownership boat, but I be;ieve it was actually owned by NickC. It was then removed from the boat and kept at the club. Whilst it was there, the commodore said anyone could use it as it was club property. It matters little if it was owned by a member or was shared ownership, it was not club property for general use. The commodore was very wrong to claim it was club property and that anyone could use it. How would you deal with someone as arogant as that, also considering his "official" position. He certainly was not setting a good example for others to follow considering his "official" position.

The series of arguments, that you consider are minor, could not be solved in friendly way due to several people thinking they could do what they liked. This can be judged by NickC's thread about the oversized outboard, which they did not like being ridiculed. NickC's solution was to sell his share in the boat, but he decided to sell his share to the 3rd member of the boat partnership. This must have caused a reaction as the other 2 partners thought they should obtain it and I believe this was the cause of NickC's expulsion.

If the club wants to stop the public ridicule of the actions of the "officials" of this un-named club, then they should start damage limitation. From all comments this is not a major club as the membership fee is just £41 and it has a couple of sheds. It could easily be described as sailing on a shoestring. The best way to stop this thread would be to allow a meeting of all members to discuss the issue of NickC's expulsion, with NickC invited to put his case. However this will probably never happen as the "officials" deem it as done and dusted. Any critism of their actions is a threat to their position, which makes them more defensive.

The next AGM should be interesting to attend, unless it is held in a pub when anyone could join in. NickC's expulsion would be highly unlikely to be in the AGM agenda. This means it can only be raised in Any Other Business by any member brave enough to stand up. This is at the end of the meeting, or after the election of any officials. I bet the commodore, if he continues standing, will refuse to discuss it. This would probably bring uproar from any member wanting more information from the club "officials". I bet the "officials" then deem the meeting over to stop discussion, and then leave. Floyd, what do you think will happen?

Floyd Raser please note I am looking for an answer to keep this thread active.
 
Meanwhile, out in the real world, why would this small club be bothered what this group of (less than 20) internet warriors think about them?
As far as they are concerned they have got rid of NickC and they are getting on with having a small sailing club.

I really can't see what NickC hopes to achieve. I certainly wouldn't want to be in a club that doesn't want me.

If he really has support from members, where are they? Why aren't they haranguing the committee. Why haven't they forced a Special General Meeting?
Because their support is merely embarrassment and face-saving when speaking to NickC. They are happy to stay part of the club.
 
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Seajet said:
It won't be required as I will never agree with your miserable way of seeing things.

I've been commenting constructively on the thread all along, it's just I support Nick's case; it's entirely predictable you would favour someone like Floyd.
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All along? The thread had been going 9 months before you found it :) I guess things are always different in Seajet world... :encouragement:
 
Mercury Rising said:
Meanwhile, out in the real world, why would this small club be bothered what this group of (less than 20) internet warriors think about them?
As far as they are concerned they have got rid of NickC and they are getting on with having a small sailing club.

I really can't see what NickC hopes to achieve. I certainly wouldn't want to be in a club that doesn't want me.

If he really has support from members, where are they? Why aren't they haranguing the committee. Why haven't they forced a Special General Meeting?
Because their support is merely embarrassment and face-saving when speaking to NickC. They are happy to stay part of the club.
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As has been explained before, this way Nick has the satisfaction of making his treatment very public.

Due to the recession with the corresonding decline in sailing, even very good clubs with a good catchment area like Chichester Harbour are pursuing vigorous recruitment programmes, and working together to promote the sport.

I never in my wildest dreams thought there'd one day be invitations to an Open Day at Itchenor Sailing Club, advertised on the Chichester bypass !

So this ' small club ' which has upset Nick enough to air his grievances on here SHOULD be very worried if they mean to continue; if they do not it rather reinforces Nick's suspicion of a few committee members running the club for themselves with no thought for the club's future.
 
jordanbasset said:
I don't know the name of the club, who the chairman is, who are the committee members etc are so not sure how public it is?
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Early on in the saga of the "big engine" Nick gave sufficient information which when combined with his location enabled the club to be identified with a reasonable degree of certainty. As time as gone by Nick has also inadvertently named the club more than once, even if these sip ups were rectified fairly quickly

Early on he referred to the other partners in his ill fated boat share venture by their initials. It was then possible to identify those who were committee members from the "rouges gallery" on the club website.

If you dig deep enough its even possible to find the Commodore's home address and phone number and "fly in" for a butchers of his pad by Google street view, find out how much he paid for it etc

All the info is pretty public and easy to find if you spotted the early clues to the clubs ID or the accidental naming of it.

Nick's tales of woe are all made public on these forums.
 
VicS said:
Early on in the saga of the "big engine" Nick gave sufficient information which when combined with his location enabled the club to be identified with a reasonable degree of certainty. As time as gone by Nick has also inadvertently named the club more than once, even if these sip ups were rectified fairly quickly

Early on he referred to the other partners in his ill fated boat share venture by their initials. It was then possible to identify those who were committee members from the "rouges gallery" on the club website.

If you dig deep enough its even possible to find the Commodore's home address and phone number and "fly in" for a butchers of his pad by Google street view, find out how much he paid for it etc

All the info is pretty public and easy to find if you spotted the early clues to the clubs ID or the accidental naming of it.

Nick's tales of woe are all made public on these forums.
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I see, have not been paying that much attention and was probably a little dense and had not realised Nick had disclosed the name of the club etc. I did seem to remember him saying though that he would not say the name or the thread would be pulled I assume because it could be considered libelous?
But it now seems everyman and his dog, except me:-), knows the name of the club so it is an interesting dilemma for Time Inc.
 
Concerto said:
IIRC NickC said there was a problem with the original outboard in its cooling system, which he fixed, but it still required careful use to keep it working. This outboard was on the back of the shared ownership boat, but I be;ieve it was actually owned by NickC. It was then removed from the boat and kept at the club. Whilst it was there, the commodore said anyone could use it as it was club property. It matters little if it was owned by a member or was shared ownership, it was not club property for general use. The commodore was very wrong to claim it was club property and that anyone could use it. How would you deal with someone as arogant as that, also considering his "official" position. He certainly was not setting a good example for others to follow considering his "official" position.

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Excuse me for not doing multiple quotes, I don't know how.

Almost agreed but: whenever I refer to this period I punctuate with "if it is true" referring to the Commodore's involvement. Although I accept the Nick probably doesn't have the imagination or intelligence to make it up, I have a mistrust of Nick's versions of events. I never read about the cooling system or that it was the Commodore who suggested anyone could use the engine. I read that Nick had repaired the engine and one of the committee members had said anyone could use the engine.

Now as neither of us was there, how do we know for sure that the commodore wasn't genuinely mistaken? You seem to have been judge, jury and executioner already?
I fully accept that he could be a knob, but look who he's having to deal with. "Deserve each other" I have suggested.
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Floyd Raser said:
Excuse me for not doing multiple quotes, I don't know how.
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Click the multi quote icon
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in each of the posts you wish to quote in the order in which you want the quotes to appear.

Begin your reply by clicking the Reply to Thread button ( bottom left)


Position the cursor where you want to begin. before, between or after the quotes and off you go.
 
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