yachtorion
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There is nothing to be gained by pursuing this any further.
Attempt by our Committee to change the Club rules without notifying the members
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captainpugwash88
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very defeatist!
NickC
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I beg to differ, they still must:
- Provide precise reason and supporting evidence of serious wrongdoing to justify this expulsion
- Allow the member 'fair representation' to the Ordinary Members
- Allow Ordinary Members a vote on the issue
yachtorion
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The rule book is largely irrelevant. You can spend your life fighting a bureaucratic committee that, at the least from your perspective, have turned the club into a rubbish and unhappy place to be which will always remind you of these events, or you can spend the time sailing... and put some water under the keel.
It seems unlikely you are going to change the committees mind so that they suddenly agree to your demands above. And if they don't then you are unlikely to get anywhere by trying to appeal direct to the membership. People don't generally want to do the job so they leave those who are doing it to get on with it in my experience.
In the unlikely event you get somewhere with this, I think you may be on course for a pyrrhic victory.
To each their own. I know what I'd choose. I wish you luck either way.
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Pete54
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And that NickC is why they will never let you back in their club. You have been 'black balled' and from my reading of this thread for reasonable reasons.
Boo2
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Seems a bit defeatist ? The OP has the same right to try to influence their club that any other member has ?
Boo2
Daydream believer
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Beg to differ -he does not have the right to bring the club into disrepute over unsubstantiated ( except by him) claims
Even now he is still publishing the name of the club to the world at large
the letter he has presented has 2 blank spaces - why- & did he attend the meeting to give his reasons for his actions
If not then he has no case to complain
Club has acted correctly.
NickC
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Perhaps because at that time no precise or specific accusations of wrongdoing had been made.
If a person is to attend a hearing they should be given, in advance, details of the accusations against them. As you can clearly see from the letter of Intended Expulsion that was not the case here.
A hearing without accusations is a Kangaroo Court.
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Actually, apart from being busy that night, the primary reason for not attending that 'hearing', which was discussed with Committee members in advance, was that as no specific accusations had been made this should be dealt with by a vote of Ordinary Members as allowed in the Club rules.
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NickC
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Currently working on anonymizing a website of all of the correspondence etc. behind these issues. Give me a few days to finish that and you will all be able to read the whole situation for yourselves. That website was originally created with the help of some members to inform the rest of the Ordinary Members of the circumstances but as you know they have not yet been allowed to vote on the issue.
Posting that URL here would probably get the whole thread pulled again so will likely ask those interested to PM me for the URL.
Posting that URL here would probably get the whole thread pulled again so will likely ask those interested to PM me for the URL.
NickC
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Because I have attempted to remove anything which could potentially identify the Club else those such as yourself would complain.
sailorman
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That cat came out of the bag over a year ago
yachtorion
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Nick I mean this as a very genuine question - why are you still fighting this? What is the outcome you hope for?
captainpugwash88
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Don't know what nick says but I guess he wants the members to be given their vote on it
Tintin
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The whole of 2015 spent on this - what a waste of a life.
Why not use your talents for something positive? Perhaps doing some charitable work with disadvantaged kids or at a hospice?
Otter
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Nick, they won, life is crap sometimes but it's how you deal with it now that matters, let it go and don't end up proving them right.
Daydream believer
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Like the signature on the bottom !!!!!
Convenient "mistake "
How on earth does a date identify the club?
NickC
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Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." (or something vaguely like that)
NickC
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Because someone will probably find somewhere where the dates of Committee meetings are listed and then say that identifies the Club again.
yachtorion
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Look I have enormous sympathy. I moved house a year ago and I was really upset to leave a club I'd been at for 6 years (committee member for 2) never mind 25. The fact that you have been at that club 25 years also suggests you are substantially my senior and hopefully therefore wiser than I.... But I think you've lost perspective on this one.
We're talking about a fracas in a sailing club. It's not evil, it's just annoying. You aren't some kind of crusader. You are a guy who ended up on the losing side of an argument. It sucks because initially you were right, that engine on that boat was monumentally nuts. But in the end, you lost, it's cost you membership of the club. The more you post about it on here the more nails you drive in the coffin.
Let it go, move on, join another club, loads around you, go sailing. Perhaps don't raise private grievances about this one in a public forum. Deep breaths
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fireball
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It seems to me that the only way you're going to get "ordinary members" in on this is to gate crash the AGM with flyers outlining your grievance and hijack it. The committee would either have to physically expell you (to the questioning minds of the members) or let you speak.
If they do physically expell you and the members do nothing to stop it then you'd have to accept that they're just not that bothered - or they agree with the committee decision.
If they do let you speak and nothing changes then you'll have to accept that the members are not bothered or they agree with the committee decision.
If they do let you speak and it causes a no-confidence vote for the committee you'll have to accept the responsibility of a mutiny and find people to fill the potentially vacant posts ...
Of course, you could just grow a beard (or shave it off) and apply for membership under a different name ....
If they do physically expell you and the members do nothing to stop it then you'd have to accept that they're just not that bothered - or they agree with the committee decision.
If they do let you speak and nothing changes then you'll have to accept that the members are not bothered or they agree with the committee decision.
If they do let you speak and it causes a no-confidence vote for the committee you'll have to accept the responsibility of a mutiny and find people to fill the potentially vacant posts ...
Of course, you could just grow a beard (or shave it off) and apply for membership under a different name ....
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